Talking Horses Wednesday August 18th 2021

David saved the day by getting on the Hitlist with Poet’s Magic at 9/4. Alan’s EW selection Sharrabang, advised at 12/1, finished 3rd. Well done.

If I’ve missed anyone, please give me a shout via the August Winners thread.

The blog’s nap ran well enough without placing, but no hard luck stories this time. The nap today is in the 4.10. While Nicholas T has surely been campaigned by Jim Goldie with this in mind (ran over a mile last time), at the prices I prefer Ralph Beckett’s Here And Now who won this race in 2018. His record suggests he’s hard to keep sound, but he came right back to form on his last outing, the final one of last season. At 25/1 I’ll make him the nap.

As ever, please leave your naps/tips by making a comment below. All welcome, especially newcomers; just enter a name when asked so we know who is who. No prizes, but it’s good fun here among some seasoned punters, most of whom spent years commenting at the Guardian on the original Talking Horses forum, which has now been heavily cut back.

If you tip a winner, please use the Winners thread to highlight your result and we’ll put you on the Hitlist next day. There is a Winners thread for each month.

We also have a Lounge thread for general chat, though as a forum we are a bit limited to what WordPress, our host here, provides as far as structure goes.

Thanks for looking in. Good luck with your bets today, but please bear in mind that this is meant to be ‘fun’. There are many wise heads posting tips here and we haven’t yet gone a day without somebody tipping a winner. But never bet more than you can afford to lose. Small stakes can still produce wide smiles.

All the best


  1. Sometimes I get so committed to a horse that I dare not speak it’s name and I can not on this occasion. But those who know my recent betting history may know of a horse in the last at York who I have been following all season.
    I just missed out in the Irish Sales at the beginning of August, but I feel tomorrow will be Profitable.
    Already backed, however, the first thing I do when I walk on the course tomorrow is to see if the prices available merit going in again.
    On a very good day’s racing on the Knavesmire, EHRAZ 2.25, HIGH DEFINITION 3.00 and MISHRIFF 3.35 have been backed in win and multiple bets with the afore unmentioned horse.

    Be lucky and if you are there please excuse the nervous wreck on the Old Widow’s Lawn.


  2. Both Mishriff and Love looked to have hard Races in the KG to my untrained eye.
    In the 70s/80s the B&H/ Matchmaker/ Juddmonte was regarded as a Favourite’s graveyard.
    The theory was that Ascot had knackered them.
    I have done some research on the KG/Juddmonte link and have come to no conclusion.
    The biggest cognitive bias is of course the inaugural running where the Brigadier lost his only Race having run in the KG but I think that might be up there with Frankel’s 2000 Guineas as one of the freakiest Races ever.
    Only Troy and Duke of Marmalade have done the double.
    Ulysses and Shardari came 2nd in the KG and won at York.
    Singspiel was 4th in an outrageous KG field and then won here at York.
    Otherwise the Races don’t seem to match up for the simple reason that it is not a favoured path.
    Horses that are targetted for the Juddmonte do not seem to need or want the KG on their C.V.
    I hope a fresher Horse does not beat either of those two as they are Horses who leave it out on the pitch.
    I never back a non- Ballydoyle Horse to win when there is a Ballydoyle runner in the same race as like Dr. Strangelove my right hand goes haywire and starts to throttle me before I can press submit.
    However I think Mac Swiney at 13/2 to be placed may be my only bet in that race.
    Bolger’s blow hot and cold and can never be taken on their last run.
    My nap is High Definition.
    The Dettori factor has promoted Sir Lucan to favourite.
    Form is temporary and Class permanent. I don’t abandon Beresford Stakes winners easily.
    He is in the last chance saloon but abandoning Horses you have triumphed is a social no-no.


    1. As ever a cracking read, el g. HD has also been a cliff horse in tuna towers this season and in a weaker race like the Volty should prevail – but anything that can go wrong for him this season is going wrong so hard to Nap him. Keeping it simple, that has to be Mishriff. Being 2nd to Adayar wasn’t shabby and trusting that he’s still getting into top gear this season after his winter excursions, allied with better stable form hard to believe he’s not odds-on now that St Mark’s B. is playing hookey. VALUE at 7/4. The Acomb looks the most interesting race (some genuine possible Classic contenders including DNB’s tip)- without a strong market signal tho it looks very trappy – likely to be a watching brief only. Happy Ebor Fest everyone.


  3. In the York first, I had intended to have a good bet, at long odds, on Major Jumbo at the intermediate trip. I fell asleep and awoke to a plunge on the horse, learning that K Ryan had made it his best bet on Facebook.
    So the value had gone but I still backed it, being thick with sleep.This has to be a nap.
    Get your excuses in early I was told.


  4. (hopefully) Taking advantage of the extra places at York, I’m going for a (very) small stakes accumulator.

    13:50 (7 places) hurricane Ivor, desert safari, copper knight

    16:10 (6 places) elsyian flame, bodyline, Nicholas T

    16:45 (5 places) tenaya canyon, princess power, noorban

    17:20 (6 places) bosh (nap), aristobulus, flaming rib

    Good luck all


    1. Did you get a return on this? I noticed that elsyian flame was a non runner. Other than that 2 nice priced winners!


      1. Yes and no, the (4 fold) accumulator was actually £4 down, however the treble was up £24ish from 10p bets. The single bets on the two winners and 3 places made for a slightly better day!


  5. Third Realm at York is the nap. The festival road show dart throwing championship continues with Twilight Calls, Ehraz,Mishriff, Future Investment, Tenaya Canyon and Frankella


    1. Excellent! I was looking at it as I feel the jockey comes good at big meetings, then I saw your nap and that decided me.


  6. Hopes may rise on the Knavesmire
    But honey pie you’re not safe there

    As someone almost sang, so be careful.

    As there are a few York Tips already and probably more to follow i’ll move to Worcester and Mulberry Hill in the 7.30 for the esteemed O’Brien/Brennan partnership.


  7. I like Pendleton eway in the 1.50 today. 2/2 at the trip (including c&d) and trainer excels at this meeting, particularly over 5f. Good eway value at 12/1.


  8. What a day of racing. York is one of my favs of the year. Jeez though isn’t it hard !
    Will give it a good stab and see if I can get back to my goodwood form !

    1.50 York – I’m sticking with WhenDealisdone 7-1 EW NAP
    (7 places)

    Tipped him last time and I think this horse is on the up. The extra few yards will be in his favour I think.

    4.10 York – Platform Nineteen 8-1 EW (6 places) NB
    ( + small ew on Bodyline 9-1)

    Ran a remarkable race to win after 600 plus days off at Beverly. I picked the winner of the goodwood cup but this one was on my radar. Thought he wouldn’t stay or would maybe bounce but he ran another good race. He has a low weight and is a lightly raced 5yo. 8-1 is fair and il also take a saver on Body-line 9-1 for SMP who has a dab hand for getting one ready for races like this. He also was in a long lay off and had a nice prep at Musselburgh 12 days ago.

    5.20 Jahdlaan 7-1 EW ( 6 places)

    Horse has had the most runs of the field but Is a Mark J so this not unexpected.
    Ran well behind Ever Given and has form at the track. Has the weight to go with the form though.

    There are So many in here which could be anything. Kieth dalgliesh sends his Lady Lade to this race who i watched scoot home at Carlisle this year. Il have a quid ew at big prices before the off given the extra places.

    Good luck folks! Hope a few of you are down there! Wasn’t able this year but will get down next year !


  9. Mrs Carr has one gee gee out today Carlisle 16:20 7/1 NAP Don’t joke and EW Double with Elysian Flame 16:10 York 8/1…Best of luck with your tips today


  10. My ‘nap’ today is Alenquer EW (3 places) in the Juddmonte, I thought it was overpriced @12-1 yesterday, but have only got 9-1 today, I still think it’s under estimated. I was favouring Alcohol Free, but racing freely, when stamina is in doubt, put me off for 10f today. I also have a feeling that the flatter track may bring out a better performance in Mishriff, but don’t like the price.
    I’ve put Alenquer in EW double with LiveintheMoment in 1.50. Good luck this week.


  11. My only ever visit to the City of York (not counting stops at York Railway Station) was to see Chelsea lose 1-0 to York back in 1986 in a League Cup first leg game. I remember the referee calling Chelsea players by their first name and the York players by their shirt number. I had recently started as a referee and remember thinking how disrespectful that was and vowed that however well I knew a player I would never do that, and I never did. Many coaches called me by name as well, but I always called them coach.

    I went through the Chelsea players from that day looking for inspiration for todays horses and found none, despite legends like Rougvie, Nevin, Dixon, and Speedie playing.

    Nap in EHRAZ in the 14:25


    1. You got away lightly with your 1-0 defeat.
      The year before that the Glazer club that I support lost 0-3 to York in the League Cup.
      On the field of play were Parker, P. Neville, Pallister, Bruce, Irwin, Giggs, McClair, Beckham and Sharpe.
      You have been missing a trick with York all this time.
      So much to see. So much to do.
      On yout next trip to England I would advise at least a couple of days at York at the expense of your beloved Hounslow.


  12. After yesterday’s mention of the great Chic Murray (for all you youngsters or Sassenachs who know not of whom we speak you will be able to see his genius on Youtube, methinks – there is actually a Chic Murray Appreciation Society on Facebook) I was hoping to check out some of wonderfully absurd jokes – but childminding got in the way. Do you think that any of his performances can be seen high definition. Which reminds me, High Definition to come good, at last, in the Voltigeur followed by the Leger.


    1. Haven’t seen any HD Chic Murray. I hope you’ve seen Dave Anderson’s lovely turn as him in the play, pie and pint series on bbc scotland. Available on IPlayer. His life story in 30 mins.


    2. The old Billy Connolly routine built around Chick Murray comes to mind..

      A lady watches Chic fall flat on his arse when leaving an establishment. “Did you fall”? Asks she all of a concern.. “no”, he responds, “I’m trying to break a bar of chocolate in my back pocket”.


  13. E/W lucky 15 saved the day..Snazzy Jazzy Chris Wood tip placed 16/1….Guardian tipster put up Island Brave placed 18/1…Noorban placed 17/2 self pick and finally big thank you to Bacciodilupo for his winning tip Flaming Rib 16/1 ….Great days racing but always difficult to pick winners.


    1. Freudian Slip.
      Greg Wood not Chris Wood or Chris Cook.
      Those of us who enjoyed Chris Cook on the Guardian TH make similar Freudian Slips.


  14. Somebody has put a comment in The Guardian “When you don’t have a clue what to back….back 13” So small stakes lucky EW15 tomorrow, is all the 13s in the big fields at York….Putting the theory to test


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