Talking Horses Saturday August 28th 2021

First, the Hitlist catch up … Rob J‘s nap Hesperus won on Thursday at 8/11 and he followed up yesterday with Razzle Dazzle at 10/11. I sense another streak coming on, Rob. Well done.

Tonytigers arrives on the list by way of a cracking winner at 15/2 Just Frank. Great work, Tony. And Rakib pops up yet again with his nap Sacred Bridge winning at 15/8 (advised at 3/1).

Bacciodilupo made Indian Raj his NB recommending an EW bet at 20/1 and getting a nice profit when it finished 4th. Nice work.

If I’ve missed anyone, please give me a shout via the August Winners thread.

My naps continue the struggle and I can only hope for better things today with Barn Owl, 2.05 Beverley. I’ve been mad busy lately but will soon be returning to the study required for digging out EW prospects in the Sky extra places races.

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  1. After a little break.
    My nap is Chindit Goodwood 3.35 100/30.
    Nb. Orin Swift, ew 18/1. Goodwood 4.45.
    Good luck all !


  2. NAP
    3.35 Goodwood
    DUKE OF HAZZARD 11/1 (4 places) Skybet
    (12/1 4 places at Hills but we’ll lose 4th place if there’s a NR)
    3.15 Beverley
    SIGNIFICANTLY @ SP (5 places) Skybet
    5.30 Beverley
    TRINITY STAR 28/1 (5 places) Skybet


  3. Saturday is normally my worst day of the week for my tips…too many meetings and too much form to study…. anyway after 8 months of avoiding it, i have been told we have to go to the big city (Carlisle} tomorrow as we have a Christmas restaurant voucher to use and do some shopping..arrrrgh..My EW NAP is Van Gerwen 15:50 Bev ..Sky paying 5 places


  4. Japan in the Sword Dancer G1 Stakes at Saratoga at (I believe 20.25 GMT) is my nap at 11/4.
    Those unforgiving surfaces in the States are the only way to salvage his Stallion career. He loves to feel his hoofs rattling.
    Ryan Moore seems to spook US based Jockeys and he is riding with joy over there.

    I hope Joe will acknowledge my late post on the Hitlist by Sunday morning of my nap She’s In The Game in the 19.45 (GMT) at The Curragh yesterday.
    She was 5/1 when I tipped her and I don’t think it is too little to ask that should be the official Hitlist price and not the SP of 7/2.
    She’s In The Game seems like one of those unfunny family in-jokes whereby a daughter of it’s owner joined in an adult Poker game and it was all hilarious.
    However that name is capitalised correctly.
    Madonnadelrosario is not.
    The minion taking short hand typing of Sue Magnier’s horse names did not know she meant Madonna del Rosario and sent it straight off to Weatherbys.
    This is important.
    Sue Magnier will quickly run out of Caravaggio names
    There are very few paintings that can be directly attributed to him as opposed to his studio.
    Single digits.
    The Madonna del Rosario which is on display in Vienna is a true original.
    I was going to back that Horse yesterday in the 19.15 at the Curragh yesterday but Madonnadelrosario is a fax message gone wrong whereas Madonna del Rosario exudes class.
    Fine margins.


  5. Nap: Escobar 6/1 Goodwood. Ideally a drug Lord of a horse should be running in the States given the shenanigans that go on there. However, Goodwood will do since it likes the track and this is a less competitive contest than it’s recently been in.
    NB: Hurricane Ivor 5/1 3.15 Beverley. Keeps getting trapped behind runners in big fields, should be less of a problem this time.


  6. Duke Of Hazzard 3.35 Goodwood @ 12/1 EW is the nap.I had a winning nap yesterday till the stewards had the last laugh.Luckily I had backed him with a bookie who paid out on the double result.Well done yesterdays winners.


    1. Not everyone knows this but Arnold (Ziffel) was a pig featured in Green Acres , the American situation comedy aired between 1965 and 1971 ( Eddie Albert and Eva Gabor)…..


  7. I’ve always thought of Beverley as offering a stiff uphill finish, however today it seems to be clifflike as I follow my old friend Lampang over the precipice at 3.15.

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  8. Chindit has often shaped like a very good horse and I think he can get a deserved victory eased slightly in class today. He’s the NAP in the Celebration Mile at Goodwood.

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  9. Today’s NAP is TARBOOSH 3.15 Beverley, 14/1 (and higher, I think) as I scrawl….no real reason why, just a punt..

    Well done to yesterday’s winners.

    I see our mutual friend is at it again on TH…..God knows what makes him tick……
    Good luck with your bets.


  10. Not a nap as I napped one earlier,but Tarboosh 3.15 Bev @ 12/1 4 places who I napped LTO usually runs into form about now and is worth watching .


  11. 2.45N Royal Scimitar is my NAP today – I’ve upgraded the last two runs and for me that puts him ahead of the top two in the betting. I’ve also done combos with 3.15B Significantly, 3.35G Chindit and 1.50G Tinderbox (as that’s the only reason I can see for Dettori bothering to turn up!).


  12. Skybet offer money back on 2nd and 3rd in the 1.50 (£10 max). If Timeform ratings are anything to go by it’s a two horse race. The lowest Timeform rating of the past five winners of this is 112 (average 115). Hello You is rated 112, Daneh 111. Next highest is rated 104.

    Hello You is around 6/1, has the best speed figures and will appreciate the step up to 7f. Her weakness is being too keen, but at the price and the offer I am willing to risk it.


  13. I’ve been a Chindit fan and won’t desert, but on the way home from the wonderful Pitlochry Theatre yesterday evening (no, I wasn’t driving) I had a small EW bet on Tarboosh in the Bullet, so that’s the nap today.


  14. Once again Dobbsie found a world of traffic congestion on a Hannon horse. As with his troubled run on Chindit the last day at Deauville, and again on Armor at the same track, today it seemed he took the wrong option at every turn. I’m normally a stout defender of this most reliable and consistently excellent of horsemen, but . . . even I have my limits.

    Sorry – this is not the place for moaning about jockeys. That’s the Other Place.


    1. Good to know I wasn’t out of my mind napping Armor for that race..oh no I nb’d after ‘pre-napping’ midweek during the Welcome to Ebor-fest or whatever they call it. Any views on Colin Keane? He seems on the crest of a wave currently over in Ireland…AOB must be envious.


      1. APOB used Keane a lot last Autumn and there was speculation.
        When Donnacha was riding in Ireland at weekends and RM was doing International weekends I thought it worked well.
        When Ryan Moore is interviewed post-race in the States he says things like it’s a privilege to ride this course. I don’t believe that is a platitude as I don’t think he does that. I think he really enjoys most things about being an International Jockey.
        I suspect he doesn’t want to go to Tipperary like he did on Thursday but would be happy to focus on a scaled back programme with Ballydoyle English only runners, a few SMS and weekends away.
        Basically most of Monday to Thursday with his young family.
        Coolmore will be very shy about putting Keane on the international circuit as when faced with decisions like; should we run Santa Barbara against Snowfall and Love in the Yorkshire Oaks or should we nick an USA G1 G1 with SB? Keane has no experience of that expectation.
        The trouble with domestic/International Jockey splitting is the Liam Ward debacle in 1968.
        Like Peter Bonetti in the 1970 WCQF, Ward went to his grave with the stigma of the Irish Derby defeat on Sir Ivor when Piggott was twiddling his thumbs.
        At least Gordon Banks was not twiddling his thumbs. Twiddling elsewhere, yes.


        1. Yes I’m sure the status quo will prevail for a while, elgy and yes RM’s strength is his experience .. his familiarity with the big race pressure and the wide range of tracks around the world that Coolmore are confident in sending their cool kitties off to. Though Keane did have a successful Breeders Cup last year did he not…how much RM is a help to Aidan in feedback terms, plotting, tactics is hard to discern from the outside. The guy gives so little away in interviews (the anti-Dettori in so many ways) it’s always going to be hard to give him the right amount of credit/blame. Bet he wishes he’d been on that Madonna chick yesterday though that you so nearly napped 😉 PS is Sue Magnier an Allo Allo fan and could that be the source of another amusingly named ‘Madonna’ horse? I think that would definitely work better on the racecard as one long splurge…


          1. Hmmm RM got stuck in a pocket again just now on Japan in Saratoga ..unlike Santa Barbara a few runs back the horse didn’t get him out of trouble and there was a strong enough rival in Gufo. So much for his experience.


    2. I can only speak through my pocket.
      I have backed Chindit to be placed in each of his last 4 runs.
      3 of those 4 races were good to firm and Deauville was good.
      He only needed to be 3rd to stop my pocket talking on just one of those occasions.
      He finished close enough each time but cannot get into 3rd place.
      Is it statistically possible for any Jockey to ride badly 4 times in a row and still not get placed 3rd by sheer fluke? The media would call that fluke ride a work of genius and Thomas would go mental.
      No. I blame the Horse. He seems to like to see 3 or 4 Horse backsides in front of him.
      I don’t know where to go with Chindit.
      If he drops to G3 in his next race he will still come 4th or 5th.
      I would ship him to another country.


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