Talking Horses Sunday August 29th 2021

Saturday saw Rob J cheer home his third successful nap in a row – Snowalot at 11/8. On a roll, Rob, about the only thing I predicted successfully last week. David, so admirably consistent, also napped Snowalot. Good work, David.

Dirty Northerner landed his nap with Aratus, 2/1. Well done DN.

Good to see Alan back on the Hitlist with Ventura Flame – 5/1 with BOG (advised 7/2). Nice work, Alan.

And, on catchup, I missed El Gran Senor posting his Friday winning nap in the Winners Thread (I was in bed, deeply asleep … yes, at 10.53) Good to see you back here EGS.

The most remarkable news from yesterday was my nap winning – Barn Owl at 7/4. Feels like last time that happened they were paying out in guineas.

If I’ve missed anyone, please give me a shout via the August Winners thread.

My nap today is Arctic Emperor at 7/4 in the 3.05 Beverley.

As ever, please leave your naps/tips by making a comment below. All welcome, especially newcomers; just enter a name when asked so we know who is who. No prizes, but it’s good fun here among some seasoned punters, most of whom spent years commenting at The Guardian on the original Talking Horses forum, which has now been heavily cut back.

If you tip a winner, please use the Winners thread to highlight your result and we’ll put you on the Hitlist next day. There is a Winners Thread for each month.

What This Blog Is For

As mentioned above this long-running Steeplechasing blog was adapted in a hurry when The Guardian announced they were cutting back on their (usually) daily Talking Horses section. Many punters had gathered there over the years to exchange ideas and fancies. Part of the adapting we had to do at the start of this blog was restricting this daily main article to tips/naps, while we found our feet regarding house rules, moderation and stuff like that.

We are now in a position to open this main daily article to all subjects. It can be very enjoyable when something is latched onto by our knowledgeable, quick-witted posters as they indulge in wordplay and jousting. We still want tips of course, from those who want to tip. It’s by no means an obligation.

If you do post a tip/nap, just include it with whatever subject you are discussing, preferably at the foot of your post. So long as you remember to come back after a winner and put the details of that win in the monthly Winners Thread, then we can include you on the Hitlist in the next day’s main article.

General guidance: No swearing, please. We’re not prudes, it’s just that there is wide scope in the swearword lexicon and we do not have moderators (and hope we’ll never need them). Also, please keep discussions on politics and religion to The Lounge section, though brief references to these subjects in the main article are not forbidden.

Thanks for looking in. If you are betting, especially if you follow our tipsters, good luck with your bets, but please bear in mind that this is meant to be ‘fun’. There are many wise heads posting tips here and we haven’t yet gone a day without somebody tipping a winner. But never bet more than you can afford to lose. Small stakes can still produce wide smiles.

All the best
Joe r


  1. Not a Nap but there is a mugs double tomorrow in the first races at Goodwood and Yarmouth… Magical Dragon 4/1 and Mystic Dragon 10/3…both have chances


    1. Alan,
      I have been backing doubles on the Escobarrs/ Escobar trio all Summer to no avail.
      Escobar is a rogue and I am surprised people stuck by him as their nap yesterday in the 14.25 at Goodwood. He is always well handicapped for a reason.
      I am also surprised that people are not surprised that he is a rogue.
      I think it is borderline territory for Weatherbys to allow those Escobar names and also the winner of the subsequent 16.10 at Goodwood. General Lee.
      I could listen on constant loop to Joan Baez or The Band singing ‘The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down’.
      However that has clear anti-war lyrics and in referencing Lee, He disrespected Virgil who is the Protagonist of the song.
      General Lee takes many Iconoclastic forms to many and not all good.
      I like this Dragon double and this will be my nap in e.w. doubles.
      You might have said it first but I have upped the ante and doubled your stake. I will keep doing this. So it us my nap.


      1. EGS, your mentioning of a Dragon Double reminded me of something else I used to throw money at in my misspent youth, one of the best arcade games of all time, Double Dragon. The heroes of the game are brothers Billy and Jimmy Lee (a surname that also gets a mention above).

        If that is not a sign, I don’t know what is. If there was a bookies near me I’d go in and stick a load of 10p pieces down on that double.


      2. This is getting nonsensical Elgy, you’re starting to sound like good old Humptydumpty who would always decry my tipping on TH even after I won the competition on Gold Cup day. I napped Escobar just the once and at 5s he was well worth an ew bob or two- seeing as others napped Aratus perhaps some people were able to put two and two together and get a nice little forecast. Also, ‘I like this dragon double’ …dragons are fearsome legendary creatures who crop up to pose an existential threat to the human community. As a medical man you should realise that means they’re bad news! Anyway, let’s be thankful Hong Kong aren’t racing today or there’d be triple or quadruple dragon bets flying about….and after the epic savagery that was on display at Saratoga in the Forego Stakes yesterday, I’ll be foregoing napping anything today.


        1. “dragons are fearsome legendary creatures who crop up to pose an existential threat to the human community.”

          There’s a city in Sweden, Sundsvall, that burnt down four times in 150 years or so. After the fourth time, in 1888, they had two bright ideas: (1) let’s rebuild the city using stone instead of wood this time; (2) let’s adopt the dragon as the symbolic animal of the city. This second decision strikes me as very weird, since the last thing they would want, surely, is more fire. Perhaps the thought was that the dragons would be propitiated by the accolade.


          1. I’m sure there’s a simple psychological reason for it , corny.. it’s so common in British heraldry and an symbolic protector of one’s own dear old town, London (although that’s more of a griffin/gryphon/spell it how you will…) -a way of controlling the fear by using, owning what you most fear and warding off all other evils. A simple test: have they been burned down since adoption of the dragon symbol (to evoke the name of such a yardstick horse this summer)?


            1. It’s true that Sundsvall has not burnt down again since, but I do wonder whether the stone has more to do with it than the dragons. But aye, you’re right, lot of dragons around one way or another.


      3. Took them as an EW double last night when the prices were viable…Was on Escobar yesterday….Like your confidence in the Dragon double..Good Luck.


      1. Puff the Magic Dragon was our ‘house song’ in the flat I shared when a student. That and the Ying Tong Song. Oh happy days. Which reminds me – I haven’t been to the Diggers for a few years – not that it’s the same pub – or the Roseburn. Time for a trip to Edinburgh, methinks.

        Today’s Nap, Irish Sheriff in the 4.15 at Bev.

        And Joe, kids bought us tickets for a Joan Baez concert in Glasgow a few years ago – don’t know why since I was never a great fan. But what a voice – purity itself. Trouble is, there was a tuneless idiot behind us singing along with every song.


        1. Auldchiel,
          I paid 100 pounds (pre-euro) for 2 tickets to see Sinatra in Dublin in 1991/92. That must be 250 pounds in today’s money.
          My girlfriend split so I brought my Mother along with the spare ticket.
          An idiot behind us kept slapping his hand forcibly down on his thigh in tune with the beat.
          He was having the time of his life but nobody nearby.
          I can’t say I have actively to Joan Baez and the only piece of her music I have is that song in the soundtrack to ‘3 Billboards outside Ebbing Missouri’ where it is used to good effect.


  2. Today’s NAP is GOLDEN DUKE , 2.30 Beverley, 6/1 or so.

    Well done to yesterday’s winning tipsters.
    Buona domenica.


  3. Well done Joe ! Good to get the Nap winner and Barn owl done it well.

    One horse that has appeared from the tracker is Media Guest in the 5.00 at Yarmouth. He is the NAP.
    Last day he opened at 8-1 and drifted out to 22s plus. It was his first run after gelding op. To say he got a sympathetic ride would be an understatement.
    I’ve took a decent bet EW at 11/2 but he is now 9/2.
    4 places on some bookies is fair.

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  4. There’s always a day towards the end of the summer, usually in the afternoon, when I feel the season shift perceptibly into autumn…this happened here a few days ago and the mornings are getting a little “frais” as they say in France, though 10 degrees is not cold. Now some of the leaves are starting to turn, some falling off the wild cherry trees, a light shade of red, others slightly yellowing on the lower branches of the silver birch while the walnut trees leaves are growing mottled. Walnuts will be about the only crop this year. My neighbour tells me that if I go to sleep under the walnut tree, I shall go mad. Which leads me to today’s “nap”, staying in France at the16.00 Deauville – Lucien Barriere Grand Prix de Deauville (Group 2). the Rouget trained GLYCON, 7-4 favourite at present.

    No wild fancies today, though the “There be dragons” doubles posts above are quite tempting. PROTECTED GUEST appeals in the 2.05 at Yarmouth, wretched recent form notwithstanding.

    More hard labour beckons outdoors.


    1. I’m with you Quai with Rouget’s GLYCON and I nabbed 11/5 with Paddy. That’s the nap, with a double with the horse GLYCON put into 4th recently, MR DE POURCEAUGNAC, 5/4 in the 13.33 at Deauville and dropped in class.
      As there is talk of Dragon doubles, I also like the Haggas double at Deauville, LIGHT REFRAIN and JOHAN.

      Lovely comment on Autumn.


  5. Looks like everyone is going too be having a go at the Dragon double….Mystic now 11/8 from 4s and Magical 11/4 from 10/3 last night…unfortunately once a mugs double is spotted they are difficult to ignore…good luck to all on this fun bet.


  6. Ok no nap or anything but trying this win lucky 15 (single dragon option!) : Magical Dragon, Rhoscolyn, Banshee (315 Yar), Beltane (155 Bev).


  7. Nap is Quenelle D’or in the last at Goodwood 5/2.

    Longshot NB Heer’s Sadie 12/1 ew to four places in the last at Yarmouth.


  8. Sad news…after tipping Bond Power on this site i was distracted by the other half as we were going into town…hence forgot to place an actual bet myself….bugger.


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