Talking Horses Wednesday September 1st 2021

Mickle is back on the Hitlist with 11/4 nap Recon Mission (which was also the blog’s nap). Well done to us, Mickle.

Rakib’s NB Henry Sellers pulled it out of the fire in the 5.45 Hexham (11/4 in the morning, 5/1 Best odds), and Rob J‘s Arenas del Tiempo napped this morning when 4/1 wins at 5/2. Nice one Rob J.

If I’ve missed anyone, please give me a shout via the September Winners thread.

The blog”s nap today is Dreams Unwind in the 3.40 Bath 12/1 with Bet365 who go BOG

As ever, please leave your naps/tips by making a comment below. All welcome, especially newcomers; just enter a name when asked so we know who is who. No prizes, but it’s good fun here among some seasoned punters, most of whom spent years commenting at The Guardian on the original Talking Horses forum, which has now been heavily cut back.

If you tip a winner, please use the Winners thread to highlight your result and we’ll put you on the Hitlist next day. There is a Winners Thread for each month.

What This Blog Is For

As mentioned above this long-running Steeplechasing blog was adapted in a hurry when The Guardian announced they were cutting back on their (usually) daily Talking Horses section. Many punters had gathered there over the years to exchange ideas and fancies. Part of the adapting we had to do at the start of this blog was restricting this daily main article to tips/naps, while we found our feet regarding house rules, moderation and stuff like that.

We are now in a position to open this main daily article to all subjects. It can be very enjoyable when something is latched onto by our knowledgeable, quick-witted posters as they indulge in wordplay and jousting. We still want tips of course, from those who want to tip. It’s by no means an obligation.

If you do post a tip/nap, just include it with whatever subject you are discussing, preferably at the foot of your post. So long as you remember to come back after a winner and put the details of that win in the monthly Winners Thread, then we can include you on the Hitlist in the next day’s main article.

General guidance: No swearing, please. We’re not prudes, it’s just that there is wide scope in the swearword lexicon and we do not have moderators (and hope we’ll never need them). Also, please keep discussions on politics and religion to The Lounge section, though brief references to these subjects in the main article are not forbidden.

Thanks for looking in. If you are betting, especially if you follow our tipsters, good luck with your bets, but please bear in mind that this is meant to be ‘fun’. There are many wise heads posting tips here and we haven’t yet gone a day without somebody tipping a winner. But never bet more than you can afford to lose. Small stakes can still produce wide smiles.

All the best


  1. Syndicate update .
    DN is working abroad until the weekend and reports that the uptake by syndicate members for the second filly is at 92.5%. Members now have a 4 yo unraced filly by Telescope who is a few weeks off a run in a NH bumper. She is on a free lease arrangement with an option to buy.
    If anyone would like her pedigree or have any questions please email me at


    1. Thank you very much Dilton. I’m sure that I speak for all the other syndicate members when I say that without you and DN putting in personal expertise and effort (at no cost), there would be no syndicate.


  2. I like Elgran’s confidence in already putting his selections for today in the winners thread- similarly I’m almost tempted to go down the bookies and insist on my winnings along with the bet receipt with these:
    Nap: Mother Country (2/1) 2.05 Gowran with ‘General’ Billy Lee on board. Pk. NB: Quartz du Rheu (13/8) 5.00 Worcs.

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  3. Today’s NAP Blankiedoodie, 3.05 Gowran Park, 11/2….

    Today’s NB is Real Terms , 6.20 Hamilton, 9/2.

    The season of mists and mellow fruitfulness is upon us…

    Well done to yesterday’s winners..


  4. Blue sans worcester 7.35 is the nap and an NB for today is Stormsay at Hamiton 5.20. The latter i saw win in rel life a few months back and may be due another turn though its against quite a well fancied favourite.


    1. i read Paul Nicholls on this horse yesterday where he called its previous victory a win in an “Egg and Spoon” race. is that a phrase with wider racing context or was he saying it was a penalty kick? it was almost 2 to 1 when wining so wish he’d told me it was if the latter…


  5. Newbie to the blog, having a few pounds on the following.

    Bath – 2.40 Two Door Saloon (NAP), 3.10 Hammy End, 4.10 Mirakuhl
    Lingfield 1.30 Desert Pioneer, 2.00 Tindrum (Nb), 2.30 Sassy Rascal (Treble), 3.00 White Jasmine

    Good luck!


    1. That makes one go off one’s nap (which has drifted markedly to 9/2) …tough race to read, one to watch now for me lol but others might see it as value. Will be having a saver instead on Kaaranah in the 3.35 (now 9/4 after a withdrawal or two) with Champion Colin in the saddle.


  6. I really fancy Beholding (Lingfield 13:30) and Chipstead (Bath 14:10), but I don’t think either provide much (insert V word here).

    Nap is MEWS HOUSE (Hamilton 12:20) currently around 3/1


    1. Considering it won by 10 lengths and ended up 8/11 not bad whatever-v-stands-for…

      Welcome to Terri btw. I wanted to back another newbie Neef in that 2.40 race but decided the whole race was trappy!


        1. From mouth to wolf haha. Reminds me of a restaurant in London I keep meaning to try, Bocca di Lupo. Will def be there if my Leger/Champion Stakes double works out in a week and a half’s time!


          1. It was ahead of it’s day but there are so many Soho restaurants that have caught up.
            Whilst chewing the cud with the owner (Jacob Kennedy) he told me he bought the freehold as mega insurance which is very rare in Soho.
            It is Art Deco.
            The decision to be in a freehold was wise as he was able to close shop in Covid-19 without worrying about rent to the estate of Paul Raymond.


  7. You’re well-connected! Founded in 2008 wikipedia tells me. I suppose in modern sanitised (almost gentrified, egad) Soho that counts as ‘having history’ so a double-reason to go for ‘tuna’… as long as they haven’t fallen off from their peak, let the others do their worst! And I’ll take your insider knowledge as further evidence that they are worth a visit or three. On racing matters: what are they saying outside Cashel about St Mark’s Basilica? Has he recovered from his injury or not – I notice with bemusement that he has slipped behind Tarnawa in the antepost betting for Saturday week despite his form being franked in no uncertain terms by Mishriff at York and the 10 furlongs being more his thing surely than Tarnawa’s.


    1. The people of Cashel practice Cosa Nostra.
      It wouldn’t surprise me if SMB never runs again.
      He has already conformed to the profile of the incredible Stallion record of French Classic winners in the last 25 years.
      Not an AP bet.


  8. Just back from a couple of days golf at Castle Stuart and the always brilliant Royal Dornoch – still the best golf course in the country- so I’m refreshed and ready to break my duck.
    I first met a couple of the Whillans lads (now old men like me) when having breakfast in a pub at 6.00 after the hound trail during Hawick’s Common Riding in the 70s. Ended the day at Hawick Races where they won a couple of races. The family have 2 in the 7.20 at Hamilton and I’ll go with Amazing Alba. Having travelled some minor roads in Scotland lately that we’ve never driven before I can truthfully say that Alba continues to amaze me.


  9. And meant say, another double for Christian Wiiliams, who deserves some success and, I note, a double for Johnson – no comment. And a winner fir Mr Tizzard heralding the start of a better season than last – but I thought Joe was taking over the licence.


  10. Good that Auldchiel is back from the Golf as I feel that the Booby Prize should be named in his honour as he suggested it.
    That name is not sacrosanct in perpetuity.
    If a Sponsor like bet365 come in the name might change as Joe might benefit from 2 hours admin support or 25 hours of Community Moderators.

    The inaugural Auldchiel Booby Prize is awarded to Jonathan.
    Take a bow, Jonathan

    Only two people posted their naps who finished last
    Myself and Jonathan.
    Apologies to those whose naps finished last in August but I can’t mind read unless you tell me the Horse.
    Jonathan managed to get 63 points for a last placed a field of 14 in Florida and I believe 64 points for a last placed finish in a field of 15 earlier in the month.
    That makes 127 points.
    I don’t think that score can ever be beaten. It is like a Bob Beamon or Marita Koch moment.
    Jonathan posted tasty winning naps last month but it is the losers that stick in the craw.
    Like Roy Keane he will only remembers the losses.

    I had Alpine Star Star last of 8 in the Marois for 57 points.
    I wish I had made treble points for G1s.

    The Rules will need to evolve as we don’t need flukey winners or people who game the system. The prize has to reward genuine lack of insight.
    So, the basic rules are:
    (1) Only naps that finish last count.
    (2) a minimum of 5 Horses in a Race.
    (3) 50 points for last on the flat and add the number of Runners ahead to supplement the score.
    (4) 30 points for a nap who is the first Horse to exit stage in a NH race. It has to be the first to exit.
    Add the number of finishers to supplement the score.
    (5) 200 points for any nap in the GN who exits before reaching the 2nd fence.
    (6) 500 points for any Horse who refuses to start. I am thinking a Trophy may be required for that.

    but the current co


    1. If it comes to lack of insight being a key criterion, maybe we should herald the start of the “Michaels “..

      I think before you joined up EGS at the very start of the forum I managed to have 2 lasts sandwiched around a pulled up which was tailed off with a circuit to run.

      A lack of insight to this degree should qualify me for the post of Foreign Secretary..


      1. Bacciodilupo,
        I think this is pragmatic to only include Horses that finish last as realistically this will be a maximum of of 6 Horses per month for me to analyse.

        Simon, sorry to have excluded you for stinking the place out in August tips but I did miss the initial exodus from the Guardian.
        Consider it a moral victory.


    2. Poor Auldchiel. I think it does have to be weighted for grade somehow. A class 6 monkey coming last is understandable. Last in a Gp 1 when you’ve tipped it to win is outstanding un-insight and needs to be rewarded! Or maybe we can call that the Tuna Prize and you’re the first winner, EGS! Uncongrats to Jd tho 👌🏽


  11. A former colleague once got an extra 3 days holiday in Tenerife after, he said, he misread the 24 hour clock and missed his flight. I’ve just done the same and have missed betting my losing nap. Had the right trainer, though. (Laughing face emoji).


  12. Tomorrow i have a dilemma..2 horses in the same race…Saisbury 14:35 1st choice is Perfect News 9/1 pp 4 places… last race was Carlisle…my neck of the woods going to Salisbury the other end of England and second choice is Minnamoolka 20/1 …back them whichever way you wish,,,,hoping for a comeback…at least I’ve doubled my chances…


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