Talking Horses Thursday September 9th 2021

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Rakib is in stunning form following three Tuesday winners with a 10/1 (advised at 7/1) success with Nana Patsy. You’re on some run, Rakib. Great work.

Alan again gets a profit out of another EW nap in Bullet Force, 3rd at an advised 8/1. Well done, Alan; most consistent and a regular now on this Hitlist.

It looks like Auld Chiel is right back in form too, his nap Just Beautiful winning at 4/1 and his only other tip Khadeem winning at 9/4. Good to see you knocking in winners again, AC.

The blog’s nap was 3rd

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  1. I’ve had a bit of 22/1 ew Glenartney in the 3.15 at Doncaster. Think the longer trip will suit + a drop of rain wouldn’t go amiss. 16s now.
    Well done to this weeks winners. Some fine tipping.


  2. I did tip a 33.33% chance of Jessica Harrington getting a treble yesterday at Mallow.
    I am not making this up. Look at yesterday’s blog. I posted early and said it big and loud.
    The fact I lost actual money in an APOB treble in the same venue as a 33.33% chance is irrelevant even though I also said that was a treble to be on.
    I also said Joseph was the treble to be on at 33.33% odds but this is all pedantic.
    The fact is I was a third right and that is all that counts.
    Moving on from Mallow Horror to the Prix des Chenes at Paris-Longcamp (apologies for lack of umbrella over the e).
    I am interested in the Roger Varian Horse. Varian’s form in his last 5 races is 23222.
    This is a race whose winners include Jaazeiro (top scorer in the 1970 World Cup and still able to win the Irish 2000 Guineas), Bon Sang, Mendez, Second Empire (I have always thought APOB should have stuck with French Races), Dalakhani, Bago, Ectot and Cloth of Stars.
    It is a small field today at 14.52 at Paris-Longcamp.
    Whilst I don’t like look the look of those Silks on Barzalona trained by Fabre it is by a pet hate Stallion of mine and my nap is ‘Claim The Crown’ to Sherzo Ancient Rome and to Antharsis Green Fly in the 5 Horse battle.
    Or maybe to Antharsis Ancient Rome and Sherzo Green Fly.
    I don’t care about the order as it is a win only nap at 4/1.


  3. Morning all,

    Hopefully some rain on the way which will do the ground some good, too many small fields at present. Just three for me today:

    Chelmsford 6.00 Queen Of Burgundy (Each-Way)
    Epsom 2.20 Gosnay Gold (Win), 2.55 Tralee Hills (Win)

    Good luck to all with your bets


  4. In honour of the recent heatwave and a certain tennis player’s incredible run at the US Open (pretty hard for anything else in the racing/sporting world to top that this week) : nap Hot Spell (4.55 Chelmsford), 15/8 and an e/w (only 2 places, mind, so perhaps an rfc with the odds-on favourite) nb Top Class Angel (3.55 Epsom) 11/2. Very much looking forward to Inspiral, though ..


  5. Morning everyone. Just to say my 2 mates & I had a fabulous day at Uttoxeter yesterday. Mind, 6 winners from 7 races does help. (Sorry, that should be red card offence). For those of you who saw my post yesterday you will know it was meant to be something of therapeutic day out & it certainly proved to be that !

    It’s funny how it doesn’t take long to adjust from watching Group race action on the Knavesmire just a few weeks ago to low grade jumps racing. But once the action starts you are soon into it.

    I’d be interested to hear other posters race day experiences, good & bad, and maybe it could become a sort of feature on here. Also, do your betting meeting methods change when you are on course compared to betting from home. Me & my pals all put a certain amount into a betting pot to begin with and then put our heads together to come up with the bet(s) and stakes on each race. I find this can give you a different perspective on a race & sometimes you can find yourself backing something that you hadn’t given a thought to. Even more pleasing when that horse wins.

    We also do the odd exacta combination in which our method is to play the odds not necessarily the horse, if that makes sense.

    It’s also a lot more enjoyable when you all win together or you can have a laugh & drown your sorrows when you lose. We’ve all learnt over this last year that there’s a lot worse things in life than a few losing bets.

    As for Uttoxeter it’s been a while since I’ve visited there. We did push the boat out & went in the 1907 Restaurant, it wasn’t cheap (£100/head inc admission) but the service and the food was superb. A slight negative was that they only had one tote betting booth to service about 80 people & the tote returns were shocking. However, after race 3 we switched to betting with the on course bookies. Quite a change to be picking up actual cash. Although, when we came to settle our bar bill they didn’t take cash !

    Right, I’ve prattled on far too much but I hope one or two of you can post on this theme in the future ( or even recent past experiences).


    1. I think the winning and losing together is Key – all for one and one for all. We have a betting pool when we visit races but people can put their own supplementary bets on outside that of course. The general idea is that each person picks horse of their choice and 5 or 10 pounds of every bets winnings goes to the kitty and the winning better keeps the rest. so if you stick 20 quid on a 9 to 1 shot and win 200, you put 100 in kitty and keep 100.

      if there are 4 or 5 of you then its surprising how often the days drink money and more gets covered by this approach.


    2. Great post and I am pleased that you had a great day out. Your suggestion to discuss race day experiences could be something special. I often go alone, but regularly fall into good company. Be it an Irish priest over from Italy for the NHF or sharing a bottle with the late Dandy Nichols at Thirsk. The key thing for me is to know the 2-3 races you are interested in and find time for the social side.


    3. I have a narrow boat on the Trent and Mersey and Uttoxeter is the local course to the mooring . Been a couple of times and found it very pleasant . I don’t think low grade racing is a serious issue if the day out is fine although the sun does help ! On the other hand I found , eg , Huntingdon to be low grade and a bit rubbish .


      1. Hi Tony. Yeah agree the level of racing probably doesn’t matter if you’re having an enjoyable day out. I know what you mean about Huntingdon, pretty basic racecourse but they all have their place.

        I’ve been to nearly all the courses in UK except Fontwell & Ffos Las and the gaff tracks can be just as good a day out as the top ones.

        As an aside, we’re already planning our October trip but so far both the options we’ve come up with are Flat meetings. I’m not sure about Flat racing in Oct as by that time of year there’s some usually big fields , poss on Soft/Hvy and punting can be a nightmare.

        Do people have a certain time of year when they switch from Flat to NH ? My last bet on the Flat is usually the Arc.


        1. We’re on so feel its okay to say i switch to flat when there are literally no UK NH meetings on like today 🙂


  6. Hi David that’s an interesting way of doing it. We start off with each of us funding one race bet over the first 3 races and then if there are any returns they go in the betting kitty. Hopefully, at that point there’s enough in the kitty to keep us going over the next few races. Then at the end we divi the kitty up between us.

    We enjoyed yesterday so much that we’ve made a commitment to repeat this under the mantra ‘once a month, every month.’ so now we’re planning October’s day out. We’re all retired and have the time just as long as we can fit the day in between hospital appointments etc 🙂


  7. “Back in form”, says Joe. We’ll the planets aligned yesterday and the sun shone. However, it’s been paying down all morning here today so …..
    Jazz Club in the 2.20 nap, doubled up EW with Urban Artist in the 3.15.

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  8. GLENARTNEY is now a NR. The nap is ANCIENT ROME 6/5 Longchamp 14.52, with EVERGIVEN 100/30(last night), Donny 14.10 and MOTAWAAJID 15/8 Donny 15.45.

    I see Frankie’s mount in the fourth race is 1/3 – INSPIRAL CARPET 😉


    1. Ha, nobody’s luring me in with musical references today, dirty. Maybe with all this talk of Jazz Club (tipped by Greg, too let’s be fair – how sad it is that there’s only one comment so far under his racing article today btw…oh Guardian what did you do?!) the lounge is the place for that kind of thing! The price has gone a little for JC so I’m thinking something at a bigger price…Symphony Perfect?


  9. My niece is heading up to Edinburgh to start uni, so my NAP is Edinburgh Castle in 2.55 and an EW double with Save A Forest 3.15.
    Had been looking at Urban Artist and Jazz Club, reading others suggestions here has encouraged me to do win singles and EW double on them. And for an interest in 1.40 and 3.45, I’ve done win double on Daiquiri Francais and Modern News. Good luck all.


  10. Weather update, I’ve driven from east Yorkshire to Manchester and back and it’s scorchio in Yorkshire now. Anyhows nap today is jazz club Ew (Donny) 14:10. Good luck folks.


  11. i’m going to go a bit unusual today and offer up Mountain Breexe as nap in Don 1.10 and an EW nap in the 2.10 of I’m a Gambler hoping Mark Johnstons good run continues…


    1. And I’m off to my usual start. For the other 4 TV races from Doncaster
      2.10 Live in the Dream
      2.40 Speak
      3.15 Free Wind
      3.45 Ataser
      Best of luck everyone.


  12. COSMOS RAJ in the 17:00 at Epsom drifting to 5s at the moment. I expect once it is known that it’s my nap the price will come tumbling down.


  13. Today’s NAP is SILENCE PLEASE , 3.15 Doncaster, 14/1 or so…

    I have to NB TRALEE HILLS , 2.55 Epsom, 11/2….

    Well done to yesterday’s winners.


      1. Stick to picking the winners and leave the booby prize to us course specialists per favore.

        From what I saw today, Dettori can still do it and if Jack’s Profit doesn’t win a staying nursery before the end of the season you can call me van dijk.


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