Talking Horses Saturday September 11th 2021

On the Friday Hitlist, Mickle struck again with 11/8 nap Kettle Hill. Nice work, Mickle.

Jonathan Dawe napped a cracking winner in Global Acclaim at 17/2. Well done, JD.

Bacciodilupo struck with his nap, advised at 6/1 Able Kane. Congratulations, B.

And David napped Sea La Rosa, who won at 2/1. Fine work, David.

The blog’s nap found the company a wee bit hot, running quite green too, though I doubt he’d have won it.

If I’ve missed anyone, please give me a shout via the September Winners thread.

The blog’s Saturday nap is Doncaster specialist Jawwaal who’s coming to form at the right time for this big sprint (1.45) at around 8/1.

Syndicate Update

t’s been a while, however, here’s an update on the Talking Horses Syndicate.

NORTHERN SYMPHONIE remains out to grass at the stud. They have done a great job with her and she is growing and developing nicely. She will go to be broken in towards the end of October.

Thanks to the sterling work of Dilton, our new lease horse AUSSIE MOON is scheduled to run in a NH bumper in about 4 weeks time. Syndicate members have selected the racing colours – orange and dark blue diablo, orange sleeves and a orange and dark blue quartered cap. Let’s hope she flies like the devil.

The syndicate is full and I would like to thank all members for their support and I look forward to meeting you, when you are able, to come racing.

In good time a new horse will be sourced for the syndicate and, ideally, French bred and based in France. While Dilton is working on this, it will not happen until the Spring of 2022 and syndicate members will be kept informed.

New members are most welcome to join the syndicate as we continue to develop and should you be interested please email me so that I can register your interest:-

All the best,


NB – this post is also on the Syndicate Thread (best using the search box on top right to get to it) where the new colours can be seen in the image at the top of the thread.

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  1. Well done to all the winning tipsters particularly Bacciodilupo who also put a marker down for the booby prize with Silence Please in the 3.15 at Doncaster on Thursday.
    Last of 8 runners meaning 57 points.
    Many impressive features to that nap. A group 2 Race. A Jessica Harrington raider who seems to have the knack of sending mares away from Ireland to finish last right now (Alpine Star).
    Above all the distance between her and the penultimate Horse was a nose. She couldn’t find a short head to avoid last position.
    Great stuff, Baccio.
    I noticed your ironic tip for Tralee Hills that day knowing there are no Tralee Hills.

    A great weekend’s racing although the Arc trials look thin and I don’t know why APOB is doing single contestants after all this time.
    Bet 365 do enhanced e.w. on Empress Josephine at 12/1 down to 5 places and Friendly 30/1 down to 7 places in 13.40 at Leopardstown and I will do that.
    Innisfree in the 15.15 at 11/4 on the same card is my nap. I have never not backed him.


    1. EGS, your nap Ratib was also last of 8 on 02/09, beaten 9 lengths by the penultimate horse. To my untrained eye, that seems worse than a nose behind. Silence Please was 12.25 lengths behind winner, and Ratib 18.5 lengths behind winner. Are you going to start adding some bonus points based on value of the race perhaps?


      1. Jonathan,
        Distance would be too complicated and punish napped Sprinters and reward napped Stayers and NH naps.
        Also I think the distance behind the winner may be half the distance of the race but because another runner was almost as awful the napper would not receive due worth.
        Thanks for pointing out I am on the miss list for September with 57 points.
        I clearly have a problem reading race results as I thought Silence Please had only won last place by a nose.
        It is possible I have been winning loads of races without being aware and people in my Bookies are waiting for me to discard winning bet Slips.


  2. Alounak Chester 14:00 nap.
    With sky paying for 7 places at York (13:45) it’s worth having a go at some decent Ew prices. Despite winning with copper knight and Mr wagyu at decent prices recently, I’m more inclined to go (Ew) for premier power (10/1), venturous (14/1) and treacherous (20/1). Good luck all.


  3. Morning all,

    In the placings yesterday, so try and get a bit nearer to the target with these today:

    Chester 4.25 Jean Baptiste, 4.55 Widaad (Nb)
    Doncaster 1.45 Venturouse
    Lingfield 5.50 Heshmah (Treble)
    Musselburgh 4.35 Coaxing (NAP)

    Best of luck to all with their bets on a good Saturday of racing


  4. Another long shot EW Nap is Embour 13:45 Don….The number of times that I have followed Ruth Carr only to give up when no winners..then suddenly she will spring a big priced winner when I haven’t had a bet…Will a new jockey up make a difference ….not long to find out….As usual good luck today…thankfully account still in the black by taking advice from the other tips on this site….thank you all.


  5. The racing for me today is at Leopardstown where the nap is TARNAWA 14.45. In multiples with with CORVIGLIA 12.40, MARITIME WINGS (NB) 13.10 and MOTHER EARTH 13.40.


  6. NAP Donc. 3.35 The Mediterranean 14/1 Wayne Lordan to pull one out of the APOB pack yet again,
    NB Donc. 1.45 Saluti Would rather a draw 7 or so higher but surely overpriced at 22/1 to 6 places
    Best of luck all.


  7. Morning all. Loads of good races that will be enjoyable even without a bet. DN has beaten me to the punch with Maritime Wings -though I notice that a fellow JPoB stablemate of his is also strong in the betting for that Group 2. Joseph’s Thunder Moon (my Guineas bet back in the day…oops) is also being backed a bit later on the day…tempting but no dice. Hmm I think seeing as over on TH someone’s put up Poetic Flare up for the Irish Champion Stakes I’ll have to nap St Mark’s Basilica even if it is a measly 10/11. Should win comfortably. A 5-star horse or ‘⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐’ to quote the late great slowhandray. Tarnawa for 2nd. You might need a telescope to see the rest, to not coin a phrase. NB is in the Matron -Acanella 11/1 (EW, 4 places). Best of luck, y’all.

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    1. Well, I was half-right…you did need a telescope (or just a scope..?) but only because they were strung out across the track. Absolutely thrilling race. First three were all champions imh(sexist)o.


  8. Today’s NAP is Ottoman Emperor, 8/1 or so as I scrawl, in the 3.35 Doncaster. Johnny doesn’t send them over the water for nothing (unlike Jessica Harrington, as EGS has belatedly pointed out to me!!!).

    Well done to yesterday’s winning tipsters.

    Good luck with your bets.


  9. “Frankie’s ride in the Gold Cup Cup wasn’t his greatest”.
    What other Trainer says these things? I would go somewhere else if I was Dettori.
    A question. Does the single meeting limit for Jockeys apply to only one meeting in an individual Jurisdiction?
    If the Irish Champion Stakes had not been moved to this early time slot from it’s recent evening slot due to an irregular timed Saturday evening GAA Final could Moore or Dettori have done the Leger and Champion?
    With regard to the Champion Stakes I think APOB is taking a silly risk.
    Just because he won the Eclipse in a 4 runner field.
    Just because winning French G1s without a Pacemaker means you can surely quicken off a slow pace.
    If you are rated the best Horse in the World you should act like it and have no excuses with the fractions. There should be hard even pace if you are that good.


    1. Hi EGS . To be fair I recall that following the race LD himself said that he wished he could have the ride again.They obviously have a very good relationship .

      Turning to the St Leger I do not contribute much during the week unless something catches my eye ( eg horses with “Frank” in their name ) but all week I have been thinking about Interpretation (honest , guv ) .Looked at the Graun last night to see that Greg has also selected that option for all the reasons that I have . Currently 14 on Betfair exchange to win which I will do as my NAP as I do not do ew at that sort of price .My , totally personal ,view is that if you just want to “cover” ( a misleading term in my view ) your stake you are probably best off not betting in the first place .


  10. On TH several years ago I mentioned a theory about horse feet size and the going. The theory was bigger feet were preferable on soft going, and small feet better on firm going. To say this was met with some skepticism in some quarters is somewhat of an understatement. However, following Stradivarius’s win yesterday Daddy G stated that the horse didn’t like soft going because he (Stradivarius not Daddy G) has small feet.

    Nap is INTERPRETATION in the 15:35 at Doncaster, current odds about 12/1


    1. “bigger feet were preferable on soft going, and small feet better on firm going”.

      That’s very interesting, Jonny, thanks. It’s the same for ballet dancers and sumo wrestlers, ain’t it? I mean to say: I doubt whether ballet dancers with clomping great feet are going to be picked to play the eponymous heroine in The Sleeping Beauty or Princess Clara in The Nutcracker, while sumo wrestlers with tootsies the size of field mice are unlikely to cut the mustard in the ring in Yokohama or Sapporo.

      But are you suggesting racegoers should carry with them to Ascot or Market Rasen a tape measure, dart under the rails into the parade ring, evade the bouncers and measure their fancy’s horseshoes?

      Cheers – Andrew Bell (Humpty Dumpty)


      1. I first heard the big feet soft ground theory in the 1960s and found it highly persuasive, until someone pointed out that big feet on soft ground are much more likely to ‘plug’ and form a vacuum making it difficult to pull out.


        1. You can also suggest (as Gosden did yesterday), that small hooves means more pounds per square foot, so it inconveniences smaller ones in heavy ground. I reckon it’s more about their action and personal preference… but maybe we should just go for those with ‘average’ sized hooves!


      2. Good to see you on here, Humpty. A maiden post. Must be a quiet day on the many other threads which you patronise with your wit and wisdom. I recollect another story about “big feet” where a racegoer told his companion to look at the size of the horses’ feet in respect of the going and this proved to be a workable and winning formula. I see that Steeplechasing has referred to a counter theory that “big feet” might form a vacuum (without committing himself on one foot or the other. However, isn’t the principle of snow shoes that the larger surface area spreads the load more evenly, thus preventing one from sinking into the snow? I think big feet have got a lot going for them. Best foot forward, one small step for man, first footing, footing the bill… I reckon Jonathan’s INTERPRETATION is a “shoo-in”, a term I believe which used to be associated with corrupt jockeys. My spelling is correct I believe.


    2. It’s a horses action that really counts ,daisy cutters with a quick fluent action enjoy quick ground whereas horses with a round gait will act on heavy and surfaces like Southwells was.
      A horse will generally go on a surface it’s not suited to the once and great ones go on anything.
      Its extremes of going you need to avoid.
      Theres a company marketing new carbon lightweight shoes , their website has lots of info on how different weight shoes can alter a horses performances.


  11. My bets have been useless the last few weeks, so went for a flyer last night…
    1.45 Treacherous (NAP) at 28-1 6 places, in EW double with The Mediterranean in the St. Leger at 20-1!
    I’ve backed some shorter priced ones today, but won’t mention any as this may jinx them for everyone!


    1. Boom! 4th and 3rd for a nice EW double both at 28-1, been a while… And after Alnouak, Lanneqash and Tarnawa failed in my combos onto Hurricane Lane, I put some money on exchange on the nose on Hurricane Lane.


  12. Not a tip but (having mentioned Tintin recently) King Ottokar is running in the next at Chester ..ok it’s a slight tip, 6/1 just about an e/w price… let’s hope it does better than Captain Haddock who missed the break the other day.


  13. After timing here, however a cheeky fiver on Emelyn at Chester in honour of Crazy Horse himself has kept the wolf from the door!! 32s on betfair was jolly nice!!

    My nap is Lion Ring in the next at lovely leafy lingers.


  14. A message for EGS…my NAP today, Ottoman Emperor, was stone last in the “Cazzo St Leger”. I must be leading The September Booby Prize…, can you publish the current standings? Grazie…..


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