Talking Horses Sunday September 12th 2021

The Saturday Hitlist saw Rakib in great form yet again with a winning nap in St Mark’s Basilica advised at 10/11. You’ve had a fine week, Rakib. Well done.

Rob J advised taking 20/1 Treacherous EW and was rewarded with 4th place. Nice one, Rob.

Luke H also advised Treacherous (NAP) EW backed at 28-1 6 places ( 4th @14-1 SP), with EW double, The Mediterranean 3rd at 28-1.cEW double paid 18-1. Great stuff, Luke H.

The blog’s nap tried to come from last to first in a hot race, failing to do so by about a length, but still unplaced.

If I’ve missed anyone, please give me a shout via the September Winners thread.

The Sunday nap for the blog, is Boomshalla in the 3.45 Chelmsford.

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  1. Nap for Sunday is Lord Dudley in the first at the Curragh. Lost by a narrow margin over C&D last time out pulling clear of the third. Adam Farragher takes off a very valuable seven pounds and he could be the answer to this tricky puzzle.


    1. Tks gorgina.
      I had a right bit of Mad luck backing only LADY TRAINERS Friday josie carrol woodbine as including a 28/1 in usa .
      So had celebrate cappuchinos ..taaa
      My son in africa calls him self NAYMAR so im not sorrymess anymore…


  2. Time to get back on track…my last three tips were brilliant…only let down by the horses and jockeys…still…taking a chance on the dragon theme again ….so the Nap is…………..Dragon Symbol 14:55 Curr


  3. Theres a tremendous photograph by Caroline Norris in the G of St Mark’s Basilica winning yesterday in full flow ,straining every sinew to do so.
    The shoulder muscle development is fully visible but if you enlarge the picture it can be seen in detail. It’s amazing.

    Liked by 1 person

  4. Good morning all,

    A great day of racing ahead, the Sunday Series card at Haydock just looks like a good bit of entertainment for a Sunday which sells itself, unlike the awful Racing League where somebody has to keep telling me to enjoy it, which I don’t! So, on to the racing, a few bets on these will keep me out of trouble:

    Chelmsford 1.35 Waltzing Queen
    Curragh 5.15 Cashew (NAP)
    Haydock 4.10 Harrogate (Nb), 4.35 I’m A Dreamer (Treble), 6.55 Land Of Winter
    Musselburgh 3.37 Good Luck Fox

    Good luck to everyone with your bets


  5. To the Curragh. Glass Slippers for me today (2.55) and can’t resist a treble with Love, obviously (2.20) and Homeless Songs (3.30) – that latter could be something special.


    1. Auld Chiel decided to be anonymous today. A parking management firm are after him for a parking fee not paid in a pub car park. It could only happen in England.


  6. I make it 14 Ballydoyle Runners today.
    Curious to see Joan of Arc running in the Vermeille as her 3 G1 winning full siblings never won beyond a mile.
    Her own G1 was in the Diane so maybe this is just an Opera warm up.
    My nap is Passion in the Irish St. Leger at 16.40 at the Curragh.
    She is a G2 winner at 3 and was only kept in training in the hope for G1 status.
    Not easy for a Mare who needs 16F.
    She has only raced once this year in June and has been failing to meet all her entries since.
    This includes the Ebor at the 48 hour declaration stage where she was well weighted.
    She is my nap at 11/1.


    1. I don’t want to claim any of the well established territory of Thomas but no Jockey should be beyond criticism.
      That ride on the Pacemaker La Jocunde was a stinker. Slow, slow then quick at 3 Furlongs.
      Was Hollie Doyle actually trying to help Snowfall or hinder her.
      Maybe Dettori should have took matters in his own hands and gone to the front when he realised the Pacemaker had decided to set a slow pace in a belief a slow pace will disadvantage the French Filies and help Snowfall?


  7. Curragh ew Lucky 15: Sonnyboyliston (Irish St Leger, 4.40, 9/2) Jon Riggens, 1.45, 4s, Mooneista, 2.55, 9s, and as tipped above by some great sages Homeless Songs at 9/4 ish). Happy Sunday ☀️🌞☀️


      1. Elgran’s given his penn’orth..I think given his experience you have to pin it mostly on Dettori giving them too much rope and partly Teona living up to her Oaks antepost billing. Racing eh…


        1. Rakib,
          I am definitely not blaming Dettori by any usual standards but by Genius standards.
          In hindsight did he assume the bizarreness of Mendizabal who conveyed his all at sea changing mind to Joan of Arc and the non-existent Hollie Doyle Pacemaker might not effect the outcome and just take her right to the top.


          1. No I completely agree but more importantly, I think Dettori judges himself far more harshly than any of us on the sidelines ever could! (And when he finally hangs up his riding boots nobody will remember these little defeats, will they?) I think all the post-match quotes back up our impressions though. Maybe someone who’s had more experience at riding as part of a team effort would have done better on La Joconde – Hollie Doyle’s racing instinct may have taken over and she got the best finishing position for her horse. Maybe AoB would do better in the future to put her on his no 1 horse. The more workmanlike Lordan or Heffernan might have sacrificed their own chances more to suit Frankie and Snowfall. Still, you have to think Snowfall is not quite as brilliant as it appeared and her place in the Arc betting is a bit more realistic now. Tarnawa and the Godolphin pair look the ones to beat. Circling back to SMB, it was notable that AoB said ‘all roads lead to Longchamp’ – I guess you wouldn’t risk running him at all again given his potential stallion value and not at that trip against that opposition? What a race though…


            1. Rakib,
              I would run SMB in the Arc as a shot to nothing.
              There is basically nothing else left to advance his Stallion Fee.
              The Breeders Cup Classic in Del Mar is a no-no as Coolmore seem fed up with those risks on concrete surfaces.
              The Breeders Cup Turf races don’t change a Stallion fee.
              There is no immediate Shuttle service to Australia for him if he wins the Cox Plate due to a sustained Covid-19 shutdown.
              Nor the Hong Kong Vase.
              Those Ascot Races may help him do a Cracksman if he handles soft and gets a ridiculous World rating but I don’t know if he really likes soft.
              I have 16/1 Arc. It won’t happen but I don’t know the alternative.


        1. Thank you.

          The lads will not be happy!

          Not a lot going right today for them…..

          I am not napping anything today…it’s Sunday, a day of rest….


      2. Vaccination Passport.
        An idiot like me has travelled to Spain and England in the last 2 months without a murmur.
        Why? I am paranoid that everything and anything can go wrong and am on edge, checking, checking, is there something I am missing?
        A serious investment required in admin support to Ballydoyle.
        Administration is not sexy but like last year’s Arc meeting you neglect admin at your peril.
        A penny wise and a pound foolish applies to every business.
        I am not surprised at the defeat of Point Lonsdale today.
        I was happy with his first 2 runs as workmanlike is not a stigma at that stage but then it starts to become plodding.
        Appleby has this Race covered and it is now 5 or 6 years since Ballydoyle have won this and either they ignore it altogether or go back to the drawing board.


  8. NAP Amhran Na Bhfiann 4.40 Curragh, 18/1 or so. Something must go right for Lissen and Co. today.

    Should do EW but what the hell, he either wins or he doesn’t!!


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