Talking Horses Thursday September 16th 2021

Good to see Bacciodilupo back on the Hitlist yesterday with his nap SUDONA, advised at 8/1, wins at 11/2. Nice work, B.

Mickle’s recent form was reinforced by landing his nap at 11/2 – Crema Inglesia. Well done, M.

Rakib (so consistent) nails another nap Mostahdaf at 7/4. You’re making a hard job look easy, Rakib.

Alan, standing by his specialty of EW naps at good prices had Mutannaseq finish 2nd at 6/1. Good job, Alan.

Blog’s nap was unsighted (roll on the jumps!).

If I’ve missed anyone, please give me a shout via the September Winners thread.

Blog’s nap today is Fairmac, 4.45 Ayr at 6/1 BOG.

As ever, please leave your naps/tips by making a comment below. All welcome, especially newcomers; just enter a name when asked so we know who is who. No prizes, but it’s good fun here among some seasoned punters, most of whom spent years commenting at The Guardian on the original Talking Horses forum, which has now been heavily cut back.

If you tip a winner, please use the Winners thread to highlight your result and we’ll put you on the Hitlist next day. There is a Winners Thread for each month.

What This Blog Is For

As mentioned above this long-running Steeplechasing blog was adapted in a hurry when The Guardian announced they were cutting back on their (usually) daily Talking Horses section. Many punters had gathered there over the years to exchange ideas and fancies. Part of the adapting we had to do at the start of this blog was restricting this daily main article to tips/naps, while we found our feet regarding house rules, moderation and stuff like that.

We are now in a position to open this main daily article to all subjects. It can be very enjoyable when something is latched onto by our knowledgeable, quick-witted posters as they indulge in wordplay and jousting. We still want tips of course, from those who want to tip. It’s by no means an obligation.

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  1. I hate being the first one to post…as it’s seems as if i’m addicted to the site…but work tomorrow…have to rush home at lunch to let gas engineer in and trying to sort out all of the paperwork needed for a couple of weeks in Portugal…I feel pretty safe in going during all of this mayhem, as they have more people double vaccinated than the UK and the area we are going to is pretty quiet…plus looking at the flight there will only be the wife and I sitting in the rear third of the plane…anyway enough of that….i know what you are waiting for…EW Nap is Chichester 16:45 Ayr…


          1. Hey that would ne nice…it would be rude not to but we won’t have a car..Pedro’s is nice in Armacao for a meet or the Blues Bar in Alporchinos…How do we PM


    1. First among equals. Probably the right time for a trip before winter complications set in -make the most of it! On the basis that tomorrow’s naps should be a place name (taking after Chichester) might have to tread on elgran’s toes and go with New York City (2.35 Naas) -though even he might be put off the current Ballydoyle form. This ran decently on debut doing its best work late on, has a great chance. 2/1 currently. Nb: Wajd (2.05 Yarmouth) 15/8, a lot shorter than its odds when it finished 2nd on debut. A little research reveals Wajd is technically not a place but a state of mind, one of spiritual ecstasy which doesn’t sound bad, does it?


    2. Alan,
      The first person to post on the Guardian usually got a RC.
      The ref liked to lay down an early marker.
      I have scrutinised your post for anything offensive and can’t find anything apart from ‘gas engineer’. Those people don’t bring good news.
      Don’t worry about the travel. I went abroad twice this (or is it last?) Summer and it is much smoother than you expect.


  2. Nice to see the blog generating life long friendship. Or at least a few hours!

    Not sure where on EGS rather fluid calculator a horse slipping up goes, nearly ended the meeting as it was one of two, so worth a few points I reckon. It was grey so add ten as well.

    Tomorrow tip tomorrow


    1. That’s true – everyone is really genuine. I hate it when people hide behind assumed names to pretend to be someone they are not. So you never find people who try to big themselves up or show off just to brighten up their sad little lives.. Not here – ever.


  3. Been on a brutal stretch at work and not had the time to really look at the horses and make a bet or selection!
    I’ve been keeping any eye over the blog – well done a few on here who have been really consistent.
    I suppose The upside is that if you don’t bet you don’t lose! So I can have a little dabble heading into Ayr Gold cup weekend!

    In the 3.15 Pleasant man looks to be an interesting runner. I actually bet him in the Melrose at York but the pace Bias at that York meeting was unreal. Nothing was coming from the back. This race looks a bit easier and I think the Fav Prince Alex wants it soft.
    Odds of 9/4 aren’t Amazing but I’d see this race as his most winnable in a while. (NAP)

    In the Ayr 4.45 it may be Highwaygreys turn to finish In front of Chichester. Whether that is on the winning line or not is to be seen.
    I’d say this is a fair chance to get his head in front after some decent runs this season. With Fairmac, Howzer black and Cockelurum in the race I’d say it will be well enough run. David Allen will need to time his run right but I could get into the top 4 for my EW return. (NB) 17/2 EW

    Otherwise For the moment it’s sunny in Scotland and I’m sure those away to Ayr today will enjoy a nice dry day! Doesn’t look quite so dry heading into Saturday so I’d be keeping my power dry and my eye over the clouds! I’ve never had the Gold cup winner but god loves a trier! (Any help obviously appreciated)

    Good luck folks have a good one


    1. Nice work Steely! I thought Kirby did quite well there too …a very cool ride and almost got hemmed in but he knew it was the Gosden horse he had to beat.


      1. Yep ground it out well. I did worry when I seen the Gosden horse well backed but Kirby did a great job and was strong till the line.


    2. Well I knew they would go a good clip at Ayr but I went for the wrong horse. Chichester a very nice winner. Stormed away. My selection in 5th with too much to do and just not good enough


  4. Morning all,

    Another double yesterday from the Lucky 15, so stick with a similar line today:

    1) Lucky 15 – Chelmsford 4.50 Regal Rhapsody, Yarmouth 1.30 Zebelle, 4.25 Protected Guest, 5.00 Spirited Guest
    2) Lucky 15 – Yarmouth 1.30 Global Wisdom, 2.05 Mizzen You, Chelmsford 6.00 Irish Times, 8.00 Puffin Island

    Good luck to everyone with your bets


    1. Nice work, Miss Terri. I’d like to include your winners on the daily Hitlist but I don’t want to have to check your selections every day. Would you kindly put any winners and prices on the September Winners thread? Ta.


      1. Is a certain amount of discipline/accepted practice needed in this aspect of the blog? For example, a person highlighted 12 runners recently (3 x Lucky 15s). That’s fine by me. But should one of those win, would that be included in the winners list for the month? I ask that as some posters don’t post a nap, others post a nap and an NB, others more. It would make it very hard to make a meaningful profit and loss account for the blog/individual and, I think, more significantly, could mislead the casual reader into thinking the hit rate was far higher than it actually is? A few Lucky 15s that sink without trace seriously dilutes the high strike rate of some posters? Does this matter?

        (If I posted a few Lucky 31s, the blog’s hull would soon be bumping along the bottom.)

        If claims are to be made for the high quality of tipping, which they should if it is high, then only naps and NBs should get into the winners list for the month? Others’ views would be interesting. I’m neutral on this except in respect of the scenario which I outlined above.


        1. I think this is a fair point. The naps are for fun but a couple for recording purposes seems about right. Obviously folks can put as many tips up as they wish but I think there is sense in only counting a nap or NB say for hitlist.


        2. For the first time I shall be posting a lucky 15 tomorrow, I agree with above that anyone could post half a dozen lucky 15’s and claim that they had picked a winner for the day…Perhaps only one Lucky 15 per day with the Nap and NB highlighted would seem to be more acceptable, which is what I will be doing..


        3. The original intention of introducing a daily nap was simply to encourage participation on a daily basis. It wasn’t serious and was never meant to be serious. It’s just fun. I’ve certainly claimed the tipping is ‘high quality’ and I believe it consistently is. But we are not selling anything here, and nobody is tracking and reporting results or measuring us as fit for purpose. It’s a bit of fun for readers (not everyone posts) who might want to see Lucky 15s, or EW naps (which could also be contentious, but work very well here for Alan). All posters are welcome as are all tips in any format. All I ask is that posters self-report their results on the Winners Thread. If there is a general appetite for a NAPS & NB only thread, just respond to this comment please and I will get one set up. Joe


          1. “But we are not selling anything here, and nobody is tracking and reporting results or measuring us as fit for purpose. ”
            Er Joe, I’ve received millions in endorsements from Nike and Adidas (not to mention numerous pending book deals) thanks to my recent appearances in the Hitlist so this is not strictly true…


  5. Has to be Ayr today. The Nap is Nakeeta in the lucky last while an EW chance is taken on Glengarry in the 2.25 who has good runs in him. Depends on whether its a going day or not but at 22s worth a small wager in an open race.


  6. The Naas Card seems a good idea at this time of year; an opportunity to get ‘experience’ in to a backward 2 year old before the ground goes awry.
    The trouble is most of the Horses running today have had too much experience.
    We don’t need to learn anymore.
    The exception is the 16.55 where they all require to be unraced.
    I don’t know how it is decided by Coolmore to allocate Horses to O’Brien & Co.
    There was a last minute withdrawal by a Joseph trained Horse who was out of Rumplestilkstin and therefore a half sibling to Tapestry.
    Did APOB refuse it on the basis that the Sire was American Pharaoh. That would be understandable but we don’t know the pecking order in the way we did when D. Wachman picked up the excess Fillies.
    In contrast APOB IS running a Horse called United Nations in that Race.
    By Galileo out of an US G1 winner who has hitherto been useless at Stud.
    I can understand why US raced stallions have been useless in Europe since the ’70s but not why US raced Broodmares do so bad.
    I had many losing bets on 2 of the siblings of United Nations; Michaelmas and Father Christmas. They always belied their odds in a bad way.
    I am hoping United Nations will belie odds of 4/1 in a good way who is my nap.


  7. With travel still being difficult at the moment, it may be advisable to stick with ROUND THE ISLAND in the 17:40 (Like Racing TV On Facebook Apprentice Handicap (Class 5) (3yo+ 0-70)) at Pontefract. (odds around 6/1). A wise old sage said never bet on Selling, Amateur or Apprentice Handicap races.


  8. Picked Jenson Benson in the 20:00 Chelmsford but by the time I had gone through the racecard, was to late to post….however In the 20:30 we have this….Mystic Dragon 8/1 sky paying 4 places…worth an EW bet.


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