Talking Horses Thursday September 23rd 2021

Still on Hitlist catchup, David had a Tuesday winner with Sir Tivo at 1/1 – well done.

Yesterday saw Miss Terri with two winners from 3 selections in Foxy Rascal at 5/2 and Retrospect at 4/1- nice work Miss T.

Sea Sylph at 10/3 was a winner for Mickle and for El Gran Senor – great minds thinking alike!

David had another winner with Go Another One at 5/2 at Perth – nice line of form you’re moving into, David.

Jakebuckfast came up with War Horse, a 2/1 winner. Good work, Jake.

And finally, The Steelman got an EW return from his NAP on Rosabeand at 9-1 – Well done.

A wee reminder, to give the SP and/or the price you advised your winner at, and whether it was your nap or not. Ta.

No tips from me for a few days, as I haven’t the time to study.

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  1. Nothing fancy. Nap: Tribal Art -the 2/1 has already gone now 7/4- going for the hat-trick in the 3.55 Newmarket. Last win had its form boosted this evening so must be a good chance. NB: Wee Pablo 5/1 3.25 Listowel. I’ll leave someone else to tip the nuclear submarine…


  2. Greetings from Portugal….having such a busy time for the past few days meeting up with friends that we haven’t see for two years, horse racing h
    as been at the back of mind….time for a tip Beeno 16:15 Perth EW 8/1….can finally place a bet using a VPN as Portugal won’t let you view any betting sites…good luck…by the way the weather is luverly


  3. Glad you are getting some sun Alan. Can’t say I’m jealous at all in not so sunny Glasgow ……

    A stab at a few at HQ with some lunch money today.

    2.10 – Lovely Breeze 7/2 NAP

    Ran well coming from behind in listed race at Ponte. Dandalla and Bimble came out this race and ran well at Ayr. Comes back to class 2 handicap.

    3.55 Lostwitheil 9/4 NB

    George Boughey had a great start to season and openly has spoken about winding his string up for the Autumn campaign. This horse was well thought of and has had a break. Opened up at much bigger odds. It is a bit risky as I think he may want it softer but it was GS yesterday at Newmarket. This class 2 looks easier than some he has previously run in.

    5.10 DR T J Eckleberg 7-1

    Hollie Doyle takes over this one who I’m only really betting on as the race profile looks stacked with pace. Most runners like to lead or be up with the pace and this one could have it set up for a late run.

    Good luck all !


      1. Rakib It’s a tough race to call and you could be right regards the break. Not a big bet either way for me. Tribal art looks progressive and gets the weight but I’m
        Not sure how much he has beat yet.
        An interesting race nonetheless.

        Mickle I think it would be rude not to join you in that! We nearly got it yesterday


        1. The latest market moves suggest we’re both wrong and the Charlton horse is the bigger threat lol…the Sporting Life tipped the outsider so basically everything in the race has a legitimate chance -as should be the case with a good handicap. These Johnston horses once they get rolling though…


  4. Like The Steelman I quite fancy Like A Breeze but I also fancy Quickstep Lady in the same race, so given the prices, I’ll go EW on Quickstep Lady at the available 7/1 (r/fc wouldn’t be out of order Steelman!)


  5. Morning all,

    A couple of the each-way selections were placed at 18/1 on Wednesday to keep the wolf from the door, a pair of Lucky 15’s for entertainment and hopefully a winner for today:

    1) Newmarket 3.55 Lostwithiel – Wolverhampton 6.00 White Jasmine, 8.00 Heshmah, 8.30 Mirage Mac
    2) Nemwarket 4.30 Caribou – Pontefract 4.05 Modular Magic – Wolverhampton 6.30 Colombe, 8.00 Giuseppe Cassioli

    Good luck to everone with your bets


  6. One of the many disadvantages of electronic betting is the ease with which you can delete selections on your coupon.
    Both Annamix at 16/1 and Brahma Bull at 40/1 in the Kerry GN were last second scratches before I pressed submit.

    I am looking at the opener the 1.00 at Newmarket for my nap.
    It seems strange that anything trained by Appleby can trade anything longer than 5/2 right now but I going for the Simcock trained Adjourn e.w.
    at 8/1. By Postponed (hence the name) he is stepping up a furlong from his 7F debut where he was described as “running freely” under S.M.Levey.
    Today he is ridden by a Jockey who can knock any keenness out by yanking the reins hard as the Horse leaves the stall.
    After settling in last I am hoping his run to the line to be adjourned till the last 200 yards.


    1. Re your question yesterday as to my feelings on 2 yos.
      I’m no fan of the early season 2 yo racing as you know . Again though as in yesterdays debate about running horses that are older than the norm ,it does depend on the individual. But it’s not for me .I’ve seen to many youngsters with bucked shins or broken knees or gone up top.Crackers.

      I would train them ,not hard and lay off them if they showed it was all to much if required but trying telling an owner that. It doesn’t go down well. They’ve been sold a dream by the sales companies and the agents to fork out far over the top of the animals true worth and they dont take kindly to the prospect of not seeing it run for a year.

      Thing is ,its all about commercialism isnt it ,studs breed from mares who were useless ,hoping to make a profit at the yearling sales . People buy them and so the wheel starts turning.

      Me, if I had my time again and won the lottery as a 20 year old I would not run anything flat bred until they were 6 months past their actual birthdate. As I wouldn’t need to have owners as I was so bloody rich I could do that . Utopia.
      Bugger I’ve just woken up ,it was all a dream.

      If you have an ounce of stockmanship in you the animal tells you what to do and when, by its demeanor, horses especially. However it’s just a numbers game really ,if you buy 50 yearlings you will get 5 good ones and maybe ,just maybe , the one great one you’ve been dreaming of. The others ,well you can guess the rest.Pass them on. Theres always someone wanting to try to make one fly.
      The best advice I was ever given was it’s much better if you are a week to late doing something with a young horse ,than a minute to early. Patience is the key.
      I ruined the best horse I ever had as a young man for ignoring that ,I never made the mistake again.

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      1. Very interesting and honest Dilton, cheers. Patience is a virtue in many walks of life but its not often found when young. i’m sure we can all look back on times we’ve rushed in like the proverbial fools when caution would have been wiser.


        1. Agreed. The Syndicate’s horses will benefit from Dilton’s experience. They will not be rushed and they are coming along very nicely.


      2. Like most Sports (e.g. Premier League) the people who actually enjoy watching it get sidelined to the few who profit financially or politically.
        There are breeding and investment interests who want to keep this 2 yo precocity merry-go-around in perpetuity as it has proved safe.
        it offers instant reward to the investors.
        I would ban any media outlet publishing tables on 1st season Sire or Sire of 2 yos although I love the idea of Stradivarius becoming a champion Sire of 2 yos.
        We know that sort of Stallion and it is not normally a nice one.
        I receive the Coolmore Newsletter and it is telling how they depict their roster in brochure form.
        No Nay Never now commands the Coolmore Ireland top Stallion fee and earns 4 to 5 times the fee of Australia and Camelot.
        What joy No Nay Never brought to us and his progeny are doing the same.
        Highland Reel earns 5% of his fee and his 7 G1s are never mentioned; only his 2 yo record in the Vintage Stakes and a 14l maiden win.
        The win by Sottsass over the Arc marathon distance is not immediately visible on the brochure but the record time in the Jockey Club is all over the place.
        This is not about the long term interest of the breed.
        Just about getting a 1st season Sire’s fee hiked immediately or having to excommunicate him to outer Mongolia.


      3. Bart Cummings once said that patience was the cheapest commodity in racing, and also the most underestimated. When asked how much his training fees were, he said something like $50 a day, but if you wish to assist, it will be $100 a day…


  7. i’m going to stick to Perth for the nap, racing not quite as competive today on paper. Head On is about evens in the 4.50 and can be the nap. I’ll also pass on a nap from a rather good scottish tipster Jim Delahunt who fancies Montys way in the Listowel 4.35 today – he napped Bielsa and plenty others in recent times. Started life as a jockey i think and he knows the game.


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