Talking Horses Friday October 1st 2021

I might have waited until the last day of the month, but my nap Majestic Dawn got home at 8/1 (advised at 11/2, but I always bet with Bet365 as the only ones who offer BOG the evening before).

The extraordinary consistency of Alan is still at play, his EW tip Embour finishing 2nd at 14/1 (advised at 18/1). Great stuff, Alan.

DN put up two and both won – a rare achievement for most tipsters: Phoenix Cowboy at 11/4 and Sel Jem at 27/10. Very well done, DN.

Jakebuckfast continues a very fine week’s tipping with Ruby Cottage, a 4/1 winning nap. You’re in great form Jake. Well done.

It’s always good to see Bacciodilupo back on the Hitlist. He landed with Lord Gillygooley, Napped at 3/1 wins 4.00 Clonmel at 7/4.

Finally, Stonor follows up his Wednesday winner with Wind Your Neck In, advised at 7/2 won at 11/4. This looks like a hot streak starting Stonor. Nice work.

If I’ve missed anyone, please give me a shout via the September Winners thread.

The blog’s nap is Stylish Performer in the 3.40 at 10/1.

NB – I want to rejig the structure so the Hitlist has an easily followed trail of results, so, from today, October 1st, there will be just a Winners Thread, rather than breaking it into monthly chunks. Feel free to carry on putting up as many tips as you like, but in reporting them (and, please, still report all of them on the Winners Thread) make it clear on the Winners Thread if it was your NAP. If I see a winner posted on the Winners Thread without nap beside it, I’ll report it as a tip. Thanks. I am trying to get a bookie to sponsor the naps with a monthly free bet. I’ll keep you updated.

As ever, please leave your naps/tips by making a comment below. All welcome, especially newcomers; just enter a name when asked so we know who is who. No prizes, but it’s good fun here among some seasoned punters, most of whom spent years commenting at The Guardian on the original Talking Horses forum, which has now been heavily cut back.

If you tip a winner, please use the Winners thread to highlight your result and we’ll put you on the Hitlist next day. There is a Winners Thread for each month.

What This Blog Is For

As mentioned above this long-running Steeplechasing blog was adapted in a hurry when The Guardian announced they were cutting back on their (usually) daily Talking Horses section. Many punters had gathered there over the years to exchange ideas and fancies. Part of the adapting we had to do at the start of this blog was restricting this daily main article to tips/naps, while we found our feet regarding house rules, moderation and stuff like that.

We are now in a position to open this main daily article to all subjects. It can be very enjoyable when something is latched onto by our knowledgeable, quick-witted posters as they indulge in wordplay and jousting. We still want tips of course, from those who want to tip. It’s by no means an obligation.

If you do post a tip/nap, just include it with whatever subject you are discussing, preferably at the foot of your post. So long as you remember to come back after a winner and put the details of that win in the monthly Winners Thread, then we can include you on the Hitlist in the next day’s main article.

General guidance: No swearing, please. We’re not prudes, it’s just that there is wide scope in the swearword lexicon and we do not have moderators (and hope we’ll never need them). Also, please keep discussions on politics and religion to The Lounge section, though brief references to these subjects in the main article are not forbidden.

Thanks for looking in. If you are betting, especially if you follow our tipsters, good luck with your bets, but please bear in mind that this is meant to be ‘fun’. There are many wise heads posting tips here and we haven’t yet gone a day without somebody tipping a winner. But never bet more than you can afford to lose. Small stakes can still produce wide smiles.

All the best


  1. OMG going to try to nap my EW tips is going to be interesting as a few of them are beaten by a head or SH…anyway, I am up for the challenge but find that I get more bang for my buck finding decent priced EW horses than banking on an odds on shot…c’est le vie…


    1. Alan, EW naps are fine. Even placed, the vast majority of yours return a profit. The ones that win boost your record considerably.


  2. I’m with Mickle with CHALK STREAM as the nap, 13/8 boosted to 1.74/1 last night. NB for the double is SUNRAY MAJOR in the last at Ascot at 6/4.


  3. Indianapolis 4.15 Ascot EW @ 9/1 has been disappointing this season so hopefully the tongue tie is the answer.Well done yesterdays winners.


    1. The other thing is that , although I have not been , I understand that Dundalk is very tricky which makes me think that you would want a jockey who knows it pretty well . Seems odd Frank going over there .


  4. Looking forward to the weekends racing in France ! But for today…. Couple of quid on big prices and trying the unlock 3 races at ascot.
    Skybet offering 4/5 places In Each.

    Il be following a few others on the shorter priced doubles/trebles.

    15.40 – strike red 12-1 ew

    This horse has been a progressive one and has won some nice races in the AW. Ran well at back in the turf at Ayr and I think this track will suit its come from the back style. That obviously comes with risks attached and my fear is this race might not have enough pace.

    16.15 – Single 12-1 ew

    This Mick channon horse should really have a better strike rate but I’m betting her today on her record at Ascot and the fact I think she is still well handicapped. She was 18-1 plus last night. But 12s ok. Ground seems fine too.

    16.50 – Starshiba 25-1 ew NAP

    I may be going mad and this horse could fall out the TV but there is some snippets of form from this season that make me think today could be his day. Has ran well in strong class 2 events and this class 3 looks more his bag. Looks to be loads of pace across the field and I hope he can come and bag a big one late. Or a decent priced place.

    Good luck folks, been some cracking winners in here last few days. Sadly not from me but the tide always turns.


    1. Frustrating day. Neck 2nd in the first, a NR and the Nap backed into 10-1 and now where to be seen.

      Back to the drawing board


  5. As Steelman notes above some fine winners last few days – well done and hopefully someone has made a few quid.

    The Ascot card is a good one and there’s a few tips already i’ve mentally added to my betslip. i’m going to try and play safe with a short nap in the 3.50 at Fontwell – Mister Tickle ( 11/10 on a 3 timer). my NB is a horse i napped last time when it Slipped but it seems harsh to hold that against her and with good course and distamce form at Hexham its Glinger Lame in the 3.30 ( 7-2 but was 5s last night)


    1. Had thought that we were now only to leave Naps and not EW Naps, which is why I Napped it….in my heart it was an EW Nap which I did and got a return …Sky paying 4 places….In the meantime it has been clarified that EW Naps are allowed…


  6. Saint-Cloud patent:
    12.50 Liyann 15/8 (nap)
    Won twice already for JC Rouget; has a good soft-ground pedigree. danger is the Fabre horse but that yard rather inconsistent recently
    11.32 Angel Power 9/4
    Newmarket raider not disgraced on belated seasonal reappearance at the Curragh; welcome jockey change after over aggressive ride that day
    15.06 Djo Francais 9/4
    Nice colt by Intello, down un grade after sound run in Gp 3 last time


      1. Well, Soumi must have walked the course and decided the stands side was the best option. But when he got there he’d lost so much ground that he started to swish with the stick as if to cover his embarrassment. Liyann ran on a bit in the last furlong and you can’t help thinking he’d have won if the jockey had plotted a more conventional passage, as the others didn’t look world beaters. That’s Soumi all over, sometimes exasperating, occasionally brilliant, always unpredictable. Let’s call him the Ginola of jockeys.
        Hope that’s printable, David?


    1. My only bet at Saint Cloud is SAMILA in the 13.58. I couldn’t split CHANCELLERY and LIYANN in the first, so there was no bet. Good luck with the other two Harry.


  7. Over jumps the best bet is Haddex Des Obeaux at Fontwell (1.00). This one has plenty of experience in France. Gary Moore has given him plenty of time to acclimatise and they are very sweet on him. He’s 6/4 after early support.


    1. He looked a bit of a handful there in a strange race. He ran with the choke out perhaps because he got used to making his own running in France, or maybe he was very fresh after a long break. I’d go back to 2m next time, Gary..


  8. Nap is The Yellow Mini 9/4 2.45 Fontwell in what looks a very open race given that it’s currently one of three joint favourites.

    NB is Media Guest 3.40 Ascot. Up a couple of grades but looks progressive running from bottom weight. Got 9 about it EW last night but currently 13/2 to 4 places with sky.

    Good luck all


  9. In between bouts of chopping down a Sabal Palm tree this week, I have spent my spare time studying the form for the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe and I managed to confidently eliminate 5 horses. I won’t name them in case one of them wins.

    My nap today is my side of the Atlantic over at Santa Anita in the 00:00 CHARMAINE’S MIA. The Morning Line odds are 10/1 so if the odds remain around that I am recommending a WPS bet. However, the power of my napping her will no doubt cause the odds to swiftly come down.


      1. Flav has won twice on her but this is her first run on dirt for this barn, and I wouldn’t say her record on the surface is that solid. Of course anything Flav rides has to be respected.


  10. Pyledriver’s half-sister Country Pyle ran an interesting race there at Ascot. Still a maiden after three runs, she was held up and ran keen before being “produced” up three far stride up the straight. But despite all his knitting and repeated air shots with the stick, Martin Dwyer never seriously gave the horse a winning chance. I doubt the handicapper will have missed that. If she could only win a race the filly would be worth a lot if they wanted to breed from her.

    As an aside, Pylediver’s win over Al Aasy in the Coronation Cup in June would be my pick for flat race of the season so far. What a titanic battle on the Downs that was. I wonder if he’ll race again?


    1. Two for this evening at Newcastle EW singles and double 19:30 Mac McCarthy 10/1 4 places Sky and 20:00 Power Player 13/2 also 4 places


      1. Some of you may want to try a Patent…Anthony Brittain has one in the 20:30 which is being supported on PP 16/1 from 25/1 Mutabaahy Sky are paying 4 places


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