Talking Horses Friday October 8th 2021

Jakebuckfast napped Get Back Get Back EW. It finished 2nd at 11/2 SP having been advised at 8/1 – nice one, Jake.

David continues his remarkable October with winning nap One Night in Milan, advised 4 to 1, returned 2-1. This makes an extraordinary Hitlist entry with 6 winners so far this month, 5 of them naps. Fantastic tipping, David.

The blog’s nap was a NR

If I’ve missed anyone, please give me a shout via the Winners thread.

Blog’s Friday nap in the 4.10 Newmarket is Siskany at 3/1 BOG

As ever, please leave your naps/tips by making a comment below. All welcome, especially newcomers; just enter a name when asked so we know who is who. No prizes, but it’s good fun here among some seasoned punters, most of whom spent years commenting at The Guardian on the original Talking Horses forum, which has now been heavily cut back.

If you tip a winner, please use the Winners thread to highlight your result and we’ll put you on the Hitlist next day. There is a Winners Thread for each month.

What This Blog Is For

As mentioned above this long-running Steeplechasing blog was adapted in a hurry when The Guardian announced they were cutting back on their (usually) daily Talking Horses section. Many punters had gathered there over the years to exchange ideas and fancies. Part of the adapting we had to do at the start of this blog was restricting this daily main article to tips/naps, while we found our feet regarding house rules, moderation and stuff like that.

We are now in a position to open this main daily article to all subjects. It can be very enjoyable when something is latched onto by our knowledgeable, quick-witted posters as they indulge in wordplay and jousting. We still want tips of course, from those who want to tip. It’s by no means an obligation.

If you do post a tip/nap, just include it with whatever subject you are discussing, preferably at the foot of your post. So long as you remember to come back after a winner and put the details of that win in the monthly Winners Thread, then we can include you on the Hitlist in the next day’s main article.

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Thanks for looking in. If you are betting, especially if you follow our tipsters, good luck with your bets, but please bear in mind that this is meant to be ‘fun’. There are many wise heads posting tips here and we haven’t yet gone a day without somebody tipping a winner. But never bet more than you can afford to lose. Small stakes can still produce wide smiles.

All the best


  1. I am only focusing on the Fillies Mile at Newmarket today.
    Inspiral’s 3 wins were all on Good to Firm.
    The predicted going tomorrow is Good to Soft.
    Only 2 of the 9 declared have ever won with soft in the title and in the case of Prosperous Voyage it was only soft “in places” so she might have avoided those places. I don’t think she is on a Preposterous Voyage but Wild Beauty couldn’t avoid the soft when she won at Newbury or even the (surprise, surprise) heavy parts at Haydock. She must be tough to also win over the firm at Woodbine as not many European 2 yos travel that far before the Breeders Cup. She has to be shorter than 12/1.
    She is my N.B. as I would feel too foolish not to nap Magical Lagoon who is also 12/1 in that race. A German bred Dam who has not exactly produced anything to match Novellist apart from a decent NH Horse. That is my nap in the 15.35 at Newmarket.


    1. I thought you would be odds on to be all over the ballydole filly Concert hall! Although I think she may be one for next year over longer trips! (The oaks)!

      I tried my best to pick a selection in the fillies but I may just have a quid in yours, Inspiral has looked something special so far so I think she may be hard to beat.

      I’m also with Joe on Siskany who I did think of putting up a as a Nap.

      Instead il Take Luttrel Lad in the 2.45 Persian war Novices. He is 9/2 and I think Phillip Hobbs may have a nice young horse in his hands. He has had a run in September which has hopefully got the freshness out of him.

      For My NB I will take a bet on Ziggy in the 3.50 York. EW 9-1
      Step up in trip could suit and has ran in some warm races this season so far.
      I fear the Fav most. I seen him run at Hamilton and if he gets the trip he probably wins. (Saver)

      Good luck folks!


    2. After reading that I’m betting a dead heat for all 9 runners now (with a saver Guineas AP bet on Inspiral of course)…


  2. Here we go again – back for more ridicule. Giving Chindit a final chance to show something. 7f on the going should suit. Big nap – 3.00 at HQ.


  3. EGS, didn’t your nap land yesterday? I think you collapsed its price by selecting it but it won I believe. Sometimes I think you’re only interested in chasing the losers trophy…

    The tracker offered up 6 today. How often do people tidy their trackers.. I rarely do mine, if Frankel made a comeback I suspect my tracker would let me know. I tend to add them permanently but rarely back them…

    Today tho there are two with live chances

    Hell Red in Chepstow 3.20 – Well fancied and 3 to 1 is about as good as you’ll get atm

    RavensCraig Castle in the York 3.50 which is one of a few good open betting heats today. That’s about 6 or 7s and has nap opposition here already


      1. David,
        Don’t post that winner on the Hitlist like I did yesterday.
        It has to go on the winners thread now to appear tomorrow


    1. Yes, intriguing race that at York, David- a few tests of the Melrose form there and at Newmarket- but my nb struck gold in style just now so that bodes well for your nap -I’ve not been hitting the target with both my selections recently! πŸŽ―πŸ€•


  4. I took the 6/4 on THREEUNDERFIVE last night, so that has to be the nap on a difficult day for punting. It’s was doubled with INSPIRAL last night appropriately paying around carpets.


    1. And the worst thing is I’ve used the joke before on here. However, the bet is on, as all my other tracker horses are too closely matched today and a watching brief is the best option.


  5. I see that Harry’s been red-carded in the Graun – it always gets you wondering what crime he committed given that he’s the most level-headed of chaps. Have followed Greg with Mis en Scene as well and have doubled up with Chindit.


    1. My head is clearly not as level as you assumed, AuldChiel.

      Someone posted this morning asking why there was no coverage of the legal judgement against the ruler of Dubai about harassment and phone hacking. I stepped in with a copy and paste of my own post on Wednesday (on a story about the Arc, the only one with comments open!) which had quotes from two BBC News reports, and asked the question about what racing was to do about this thorny issue. That post is still up for reading, though comments are now closed. So the mods red carded me and the thread was removed. I then rephrased my post and include links to different stories from mainstream media, including two from the Guardian’s own Middle East section. They were not only removed but any trace that I had posted again removed also, even though they were fresh threads. In the midst of this, and seeking to lighten the tone as well as suggesting a bet, I tipped Al Suhail (owned by Godolphin) in the Challenge Stakes (sponsored by Godolphin), saying he would hack up. He did just that. I was then frogmarched out of the building, or the virtual equivalent.

      My point was to point out that the Guardian, very happy to congratulate itself on its reputation for fearless investigative journalism when it publishes the Pegasus Papers, is now running scared of reporting a story in which illegal surveillance techniques and harassment have been carried out by a head of state and the owner of one of the world’s biggest racing operations. The Guardian reported the court proceedings fully earlier in the week but today won’t hear of any comment about it. Can we assume the Sheikh’s London lawyers have paid a visit to Guardian Towers? Have they put sufficient pressure on the paper to remove what is simply a report of a legal fact? The issue is not one of what is going to win the 3.00 at Newmarket but one of freedom of speech. Racing’s leaders are clearly unwilling or unable to stand up to the monolithic power of the Gulf states.


    1. Half of my Red Cards were on that topic and I was very gentle on our autocratic friends as I knew you could say anything you liked on the other pages but somehow proven legal rulings including state abduction on UK Sovereign Territory were somehow still considered sub-judice on the Racing forum but not elsewhere.
      Why do they publish rulings on bans for Jockeys or Trainers if they believe a verdict has still not been reached?
      If they believe there are a set of alternative facts why do they laugh at Trump’s version of alternate facts?
      I am sure that the comments on the Football forums are asking if the new owners of Harry’s club pass the ‘fit and proper person test’ but will not receive a single RC but if you raise that question about powerful Racehorse owners (who are often the same people) the ref will have kittens.
      You are allowed to berate Jockeys at length for misjudgements in appropriate drug intake the night before a race even before the full enquiry is heard (Michael will want 40 years hard labour for Oisin come what may) but not suggest that more serious crimes by owners might warrant sanction.


  6. I dare say many people view you as a doyen of this community H, a man of insight and integrity. If the TH mods can’t see that well bollocks to them.


  7. Thank you for all your support, everyone. Much appreciated. I do have strong views on this subject, but I believe that the right to discuss it is the most vital freedom we have, and that right is being curtailed by anonymous and unaccountable people at a formerly great newspaper.

    Community Moderators are the new Committee of Public Safety.


  8. Harry No doubt there is anxiety about possible legal issues at the Guardian. But your comments are still there to read on the original article. I did not see your post, but it might have been seen as “off topic”. (Who can define that, of course). Today, there is a lengthy article about the takeover of Newcastle United by the sovereign wealth fund of Saudi Arabia and the moral implications, etc, so there is no reluctance at the Guardain to cover such issues. The article does talk about the possibility of heavyweight lawyers arriving on the doorstep. In many cases, I suspect a lot depends on the moderator involved and I recommend wriitng to the Community Moderation Team to air your grievances and ask them why your post was excluded. I have found them to be reasonable in the past when i have tweaked the tiger’s tail a few times too many.


  9. Ironically, Quai, the original post on Wednesday that you have read was below the article from last weekend reporting the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe. Pretty “off topic”, you might say, but it was the most recent article on the racing page to have comments still open. Very hard to be “on topic” when the news agenda moves on day by day – that is itself a curtailment of the freedom of readers to comment. Even if there had been a change of editorial policy on the Maktoum judgment between Wednesday and Friday, I can’t understand the justification for banning me when the sources of my information were all in the public domain – including the Guardian itself.


  10. Point taken, but where else are we to find anything much in the way of critical commment on the Establishment in national newspaper titles. Consequently I shall be sticking with the Guardian as a pragmatist. I appreciate your logic on what was posted when, etc I am inclined to see cock up rather than conspiracy. It was never that good even before they applied the scythe to Talkimg Horses and Cheic Cook left. Now it’s a bit of a lucky dip, but no prizes…


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