Talking Horses Saturday October 16th 2021

Apologies for the short service lately … catching up on Thursday’s winners for the Hitlist it’s good to see Stonor back with a winning nap in O’Faolains Lad, advised at 5/1 with an Sp of 7/2. Well done, Stonor.

Mickle continues in excellent form with a 4th winning nap of the week in Atty’s Edge at 11/4. You’re on a solid run, Mickle; nice work. And El Gran Senor had a nice priced 3rd in his EW tip Como Park advised 14/1 SP 20/1.

Alan kept the flag flying yesterday with Trincomalee at 3/1. Good stuff, Alan.

If I’ve missed anyone, please give me a shout via the Winners thread.

The blog’s missed the last two days for naps. We hope to resume with a winner today in Aldaary at 8/1 BOG.

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What This Blog Is For

As mentioned above this long-running Steeplechasing blog was adapted in a hurry when The Guardian announced they were cutting back on their (usually) daily Talking Horses section. Many punters had gathered there over the years to exchange ideas and fancies. Part of the adapting we had to do at the start of this blog was restricting this daily main article to tips/naps, while we found our feet regarding house rules, moderation and stuff like that.

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All the best



  1. Bet 365 keep giving me free bets for impossible meetings having used them for a Cheltenham bet last year. Tomorrow is Ascot. I’ve checked in here the last few times to see if I can put to good use and I’ll be doing so tomorrow. Excellent forum. Can’t wait to read musings in march.


  2. Ew nap.
    Thunder Moon.
    I haven’t forgot about the devastating turn of foot when he won the National stakes as a 2yo, on good ground.
    Josephs horses are difficult to catch, but on the drying ground + a step back to 6f in a strongly run race. I think he’ll run a big one. I don’t know if Marquand has ridden for him since Gallileo Chrome won the Leger ?
    Ascot 2.00 28/1 5 places.


    1. Dragon Symbol and Genever Dragon (Stratford 17:15) should be Dragon losers 5 and 6 if EGS’s theory is correct.

      Nap is BARON SAMEDI in the 13:25 at Ascot (odds around 13/2)


    2. Those 2 Escobar Horses are apparently under different ownership but this is the 4th time I will be doing an e.w. double on them on the very same Racecard. There was a 5th occasion when another Escobar was included on my docket.

      I always associate this fixture with a Graveyard. Parents, scarred by Nijinsky, perhaps.
      There are 4 Favourites close to even money on the Card. If you want to lay all 4 on the exchanges you will be quids in.
      This is a card to chance your arm on outsiders.
      I will be doing a combi bet on The Mediterranean , Brando, Glen Shiel, Njord, Benbatl, The Revenant, Bolshoi Ballet, MacSwiney, Sealiway and Sir Busker in e.w. trebles.

      My n.b. is in fact a favourite. Whilst I have not walked the Course I have walked my front garden and I think Palace Pier has less to worry about the ground this year.
      Baaeed is likeable but can he quicken twice?

      Russian Roulette is a funny game. You should have a 1:6 chance of receiving the true bullet but I find in life 5 other people always get the blanks whilst I wait for the inevitable live bullet.
      I think there have been enough Dragon blanks to satisfy me that there is a live bullet in Dragon Symbol in the 14.00 at Ascot at 5/1 who is my nap


      1. Looks like Mr Dawe has passed up two glorious live naps because of a ‘theory’. He must know theories are even more dangerous than dragons and have cost more lives in human history than you could ever count. Ouch. 🐉🐉Operation Double Dragon Saturday 🐉🐉(or ‘ODDS’) is a must so will nap the other dragon, 9/1, each-way, especially since the McCain yard can do no wrong at the moment seemingly. And also because one good dragon deserves another. The NB is Mishriff, a champion, to provide comfort to the Gosden twins (two champions right there) after Stradivarius (a former champion) plays a duff tune earlier on the card of, er, Champions. (15/8, 3.55 Ascot) Yes, it’s Champions Day full of champions like all those Escobars, for example, who have barely won an egg-and-spoon race between them in the last few years. Still I think Ascot should use the following slogan: CHAMPIONS DAY: are you champing at the bit? 😉 (the emoji is essential to show how hip they are and will attract the youth so essential to the future of the sport, if it has one…). That would be a ‘champion bit of branding’ as the late, lamented Mr Hemmings might not have said.


  3. Playing some long shots at ascot tomorrow with the extra places on skybet.
    2.00 Ainsdale 80-1 ew 6P
    2.35 Trabal craft 22-1 ew
    3.10 Njord 66-1 EW 4P
    3.50 Foxes tales 66-1 EW 4P

    Got a quid on each and the dream lucky 15…. If only ….

    For My main bets my Nap is Sunray Major in the 4.30 Ascot at 5/2. Not very original but has Obvious claims after being aimed at this race.
    NB is Senior Citizen in the 3.20 Market Rasen. Seems to run best fresh and on good ground. Handicap mark ok.
    Also like Cormier in the 4.35 Ffos Las
    5-1. Solid form over hurdles and will be fit from the flat.

    Good luck folks!


  4. Will be going EW at Ascot Sir Busker/Dubai Honour/ Master of the Seas (but breaks heart to abandon Alcohol free) and Dragon Symbol but nap has to be Dark Shot at Catterick in the 4.15.


      1. For my sins, Catterick is my favourite course (I know it’ sounds a bit weird) and after Dark Shot announced his return to form earlier in the week and with that draw as a front-runner it was an outstanding bet for me (still only just won, mind, and plenty could have gone wrong). Personally I found it less tricky than the group ones today (where I was rubbish btw)


  5. You’ll have to excuse me if you’ve heard this one before, but Champions’ Day last year provided my best ever return on a multiple bet (tiny stakes as ever), with the selections selected just by looking for anything with a hint of form on soft or worse. So, pin-sticking for pin money, more or less.
    I know even less about the flat than I do about the jumps, but it does strike me that the meeting is a betting oddity, even given that the ground is firmer for once this year. Despite being an alleged highlight and climax of the season, it’s not obvious that horses are really campaigned with it in mind. And I’m sure I once read a wise head hereabouts saying that it was daft to be relying much on form at this time of year, owing to the vagaries of how young(ish) horses age on and grow up over the year.
    All that’s to say that it really does seem like a card for picking out some long shots, sticking them in a multiple, and crossing one’s fingers. There’s some tempting selections noted above, and perhaps I’ll just go with some of them. Good luck with all your dragons, everyone.


  6. My comment may not be so appropriate having read those so far. However, the blog is about racing, as well as punting, so here goes.
    The card at Ascot is exceptional and it will be great viewing. In many ways that’s enough for me because from a punting perspective it screams ”look elsewhere”. There are favourites who are at un-backable odds in tight races with plausible alternatives. But why do your brains on this card for a bet, when there are so many questions. How will they fare two weeks after Longchamp? I know the going at Longchamp was no where near as bad as the press made out and m’learned Dilton has confirmed this.
    So who will put their hard-earned on such shorties. Too many questions. 8/11 SNOWFALL from an outfit who can’t buy a winner! PALACE PIER v. BAAED and ADAYER v.MISHRIFF – watch and enjoy.
    The only two I see from a punting perspective are SUNRAY MAJOR as THE STEELMAN has nominated and one of my favourites from last year HAMISH in the first. HAMISH has run TRUESHAN to a neck, admittedly over shorter and on heavier, but he’s the fresher horse.
    No bets at Ascot, just smiles.


  7. Loads of fun advice already for champions day which seems to be up as… Get the lucky pin out and pick a yankee. Will do that noting tips offered.

    For the purpose of a nap its Revel leader in the Stratford 4.40

    An enjoyable days racing ahead


    1. A good day indeed especially as it’s starting to brighten in the London area now. I see on the original (and worst) TH that somebody is intent on making a ‘weekend’ of this champion-fest. If only I could reply it’s only A-Day-arrrgh.. Anyway, he’s obviously confident about his selections! Btw, David I note the market can’t split your nap with a Moore runner on stable debut -tough one to call blind as it were…best of luck all and trust your judgement whatever it is!


    2. I shouldn’t have doubted, very attritional but Rebel got it done! The market eventually separated the two and got it right. 👏🏽👏🏽


  8. Definitely agree that we’ve got great racing, but difficult punting wise today…
    Two Haggas horses I feel are too big, done in EW double:
    3.50 Addeybb EW 3places (8-1+)
    4.30 Johan EW 6 places (33-1+)


  9. As I can not see anything to interest my sort of type tomorrow I feel entitled to get in my tips at Keeneland tonight and it should count for Monday’s Winners Thread
    In the 21.44 Empress Josephine is my n.b. at 3/1 but by nap is an in form stable with Nicest e.w. at 16/1 in the same race.
    These are my Sunday tips.


    1. You can research the history behind the name of the new saviour of the Ballydoyle world, Glounthaune or however it’s spelt. I hope they build a statue of him or have his portrait done…with Ninja looking on wistfully
      in the background. Poor Snowfall though, eh? A brilliant season ending in ignominous odds-on defeat after a brave Arc performance. By the by, considering her spouse shouldn’t Empress Josephine be your nap(oleon)?


      1. Glounthaune (multiple spellings) is less than a 30 min. walk from me and where my posh associates live but I never follow that Stallion line.
        APOB is hilarious.
        He has to win the Guineas and I think Luxembourg can only win the Derby and not the Guineas so he is trying out panic alternatives. I would have have thought Native Trail is done and dusted for the Guineas but APOB gets Phoenix from the Flames and I will not deter you from backing Glounthaune even though I hate the Stallion line.


        1. Ah Kodiacs..I can understand you not being able to bear those. Point Lonsdale has to be his chief Guineas contender still surely …a fair chance he’ll bounce back kangaroo-style and be ready to rock the Rowley Mile in the spring, no? I can just picture him boxing on out of the dip holding off Native Trail and Coroebus….


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