Talking Horses Thursday October 21st 2021

I missed one of Rakib’s winners off the last Hitlist – Plastic Paddy – advised 9/4, returned 13/8. Nice one, Rakib and good follow up on Wednesday with Ucanaver (nap) advised 5/4, returned 8/11.

RobJ is back on the list with Onethreefivenotout a winning nap at 6/4. Good to see, Rob.

Alan maintains his consistency with two selections: the nap Windyourneckin won at 5/6 having been advised at 10/3, though non runners brought a heavy reduction in the early price. And Rollajam, an EW NB was placed at 12/1.

Jonathan Dawe‘s recent comeback saw him nap another winner in Windyourneckin at 5/6. Well done.

If I’ve missed anyone, please give me a shout via the Winners thread.

The blog’s nap ran no race. Thursday’s nap is Event Of Sivola, 3.40 Carlisle at 5/1 BOG.

As ever, please leave your naps/tips by making a comment below. All welcome, especially newcomers; just enter a name when asked so we know who is who. No prizes, but it’s good fun here among some seasoned punters, most of whom spent years commenting at The Guardian on the original Talking Horses forum, which has now been heavily cut back.

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What This Blog Is For

As mentioned above this long-running Steeplechasing blog was adapted in a hurry when The Guardian announced they were cutting back on their (usually) daily Talking Horses section. Many punters had gathered there over the years to exchange ideas and fancies. Part of the adapting we had to do at the start of this blog was restricting this daily main article to tips/naps, while we found our feet regarding house rules, moderation and stuff like that.

We are now in a position to open this main daily article to all subjects. It can be very enjoyable when something is latched onto by our knowledgeable, quick-witted posters as they indulge in wordplay and jousting. We still want tips of course, from those who want to tip. It’s by no means an obligation.

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All the best


  1. Nap: Downthecellar, 7/4, 2.55 Thurles. Went close last week, losing to the right horse. Hoping it goes one better.
    NB: Quinta Do Mar, 9/4, 3.05 Carlisle. Ben Pauling’s had a few winners recently, this should be another assuming (!) it’s up to its spring form. Good luck all.


    1. Didn’t fancy the price on Downthecellar, but backed QDM which I thought was much better “v,,,,”, came home very nicely. Congratulations on another winner. No picks today from EGS, the Takashi Kodama of TH tipsters.


  2. Work calls tomorrow so I am doing a lazy bet….trainers I follow that have recently let me down on the blog but when they win it is normally at good prices are running at Carlisle tomorrow… this is going to be a FUN multibet with Dianne Sayers, Lucinda Russell runners and Ruth Carr with a runner 17:30 at Wolves. My biggest worry is the ground…most of these have their best form on soft/heavy…..Very unusually here in Carlisle we like to swim up and down the streets at this time of the year but the going is good and some firms are reporting good to firm…..bon chance.


  3. Nap today is Halo des obeaux 14:48 (Newton abbot). NB is kilbrew boy 15:15 (Ludlow). Finally Ew shout clondaw rigger (12/1) 16:30 (Newton abbot).


  4. Carrying on from yesterday about Arcs latest wheeze . Another article in the RP where an MP and Lord are quoted as dissapointed that the extra funding has been given the boot.
    Extra meetings of class 6 animals on the AW during the winter months ,9 race cards that actually will turn into 10 or 11 as races are going to be allowed to split only benefit who ? Not hard to work that out is it.
    Then I read Michael Attwater saying it’s worth a trial ,well we all know what happens with trials dont we ,they become set in stone .

    What about the staff ,that’s the key .We are vastly understaffed as it is ,smaller yards especially. Lads (and mainly lasses )doing 10 horses each is common in the larger ones , its bloody hard graft ,something that the MP concerned might like to try in the middle of the winter to do himself.
    Try recruiting good capable staff ,its far from easy.

    Then theres going to the sports , do they think horses have wings and get there in a jiffy. Traffic problems on the roads are commonplace so you have to set off in plenty of time , maybe those yellow vested twats decide to park their arses en route to cause more delays .

    It’s a long day then you still have to be in at six next morning ,muck out ,ride out ,then away again .The days of serfdom are over your Lordship sat on your arse copping 330 quid just for signing in ,plus all your other perks.
    Why do we need more low class meetings ,made up of animals that cant go fast enough to keep themselves warm. Theres just to much racing .


    1. When there are so many other things to gamble on you wonder why more racing is seen as a good idea? I guess evening meets at Kemptom or wherever attract a fairly high turnover – certainly wont be much of a crowd. Some-one obvioulsy runs these numbers and gives it a thumbs up. We all love racing obviously but the low quality AW stuff in particular is pretty dire.


  5. (Not a tip unless it wins btw but seems like Ben Stokes is invading the racing sphere to make up for his absence from the cricketing one. To follow on from 135no yesterday (scoring well on debut), ‘Barest of Margins’ runs in the bumper at Ludlow for Mick Channon and would seem to be a reference to Ian Smith’s commentary at the end of the 2019 CWC Final which England of course won by the barest of margins, and in which Stokesy played a central rôle. His innings that day was a sort of condensed version of his Test innings to come, barely getting out of a trot for the first half -more through a lack of timing than a fiendish masterplan to lull the opposition, Buttler probably played the more vital innings that day- and then unleashing a power-packed finish. It didn’t seem like it would be enough until that fortuitous ricochet off the ‘bare width’ of his bat for four overthrows (the umpires also wrongly, as it turned out, awarded an extra ‘run’ run for that delivery). Anyway the game in normal time (to really mix sporting metaphors) was tied, England eventually winning on a countback of sorts after the tied super over, the run out off the last ball leading to the now famous line. Hmmm come to think of it, isn’t Super Over a horse Hollie Doyle usually rides…


  6. Present Chief in the carlisle 3.40 is the nap – 6-4 or so. its a day where i can see a few favorites getting turned over across the 3 NH cards…So worth a peek at outsiders in general, a look at the markets closer to race time is of course instructive but not from a tips perspective here!


  7. The Newton Abbot bumper looks wide open. The Hobbs horse Great Ocean won his third Irish point for Denis Murphy and the trainer likes him but says he will need middle distance over hurdles, so is not screaming “bumper type” at me. Hard Frost was a beaten fav over this C&D in the spring on very quick ground, galloping on a the one pace. How will he fare in this heavy? He was omitted from the comprehensive stable tour that I read. I quite like Nicky Martin’s unraced Almost Gotaway. Nicky is best known for Bear Ghylls (in the same ownership) but she had a bumper winner at Ffos Las on Saturday, so you can be sure this one is ready to run too. Plenty of money for it this morning.
    He’ll be my 15/2 nap.


  8. I’ve removed the comments referring to Miss Terri. Further comments in this vein will go the same way and the poster will be blocked from all activity here.



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