Talking Horses Saturday 23rd October 2021

Alan got a wee bit mixed up with nap and NB on Friday but still managed to get both in a place – Gifted Ruler at 20/1 and Air Raid at 9/2. Well done.

RobJ makes the Hitlist with a 2nd winning nap this week in Herbert’s Reign at 16/5. In good form for today, Rob.

Jakebuckfast napped a nice winner in Postileo, advised at 9/4, SP 85/40. Nice one, Jake.

Stonor’s EW nap Coole Cody (an old favourite of mine) was 2nd at 11/1. Good shout, Stonor.

If I’ve missed anyone, please give me a nudge via the Winners thread.

The blog’s nap was 2nd. Saturday’s nap hauls me back to Cheltenham, despite easier looking pickings elsewhere. But it’s hard to resist trying to solve a problem set at the best track in the world and this challenge is in the shape of the two-miler at 3.30. It’s a hot race and Leapaway caught my eye, mainly because it’s unlike Hobbs to run a horse out of his apparent grade when other races look better options.

Leapaway has been a Warwick/Worcester/Plumpton horse for most of his career, but he’s improving and with the yard going well (28%/36% on win/place) in the last 14 days, he’s worth taking a chance with at 13/2 BOG and is the nap.

As ever, please leave your naps/tips by making a comment below. All welcome, especially newcomers; just enter a name when asked so we know who is who. No prizes, but it’s good fun here among some seasoned punters, most of whom spent years commenting at The Guardian on the original Talking Horses forum, which has now been heavily cut back.

If you tip a winner, please use the Winners thread to highlight your result and we’ll put you on the Hitlist next day. There is a Winners Thread for each month.

What This Blog Is For

As mentioned above this long-running Steeplechasing blog was adapted in a hurry when The Guardian announced they were cutting back on their (usually) daily Talking Horses section. Many punters had gathered there over the years to exchange ideas and fancies. Part of the adapting we had to do at the start of this blog was restricting this daily main article to tips/naps, while we found our feet regarding house rules, moderation and stuff like that.

We are now in a position to open this main daily article to all subjects. It can be very enjoyable when something is latched onto by our knowledgeable, quick-witted posters as they indulge in wordplay and jousting. We still want tips of course, from those who want to tip. It’s by no means an obligation.

If you do post a tip/nap, just include it with whatever subject you are discussing, preferably at the foot of your post. So long as you remember to come back after a winner and put the details of that win in the monthly Winners Thread, then we can include you on the Hitlist in the next day’s main article.

General guidance: No swearing, please. We’re not prudes, it’s just that there is wide scope in the swearword lexicon and we do not have moderators (and hope we’ll never need them). Also, please keep discussions on politics and religion to The Lounge section, though brief references to these subjects in the main article are not forbidden.

Thanks for looking in. If you are betting, especially if you follow our tipsters, good luck with your bets, but please bear in mind that this is meant to be ‘fun’. There are many wise heads posting tips here and we haven’t yet gone a day without somebody tipping a winner. But never bet more than you can afford to lose. Small stakes can still produce wide smiles.

All the best


  1. Just pointing out that Lucinda Russel has 8 out tomorrow at Kelso one in each race…10p ew accy in theory would pay…..£4,649,855.89…as if


    1. That is my sort of bet Alan, forget tipping winner after winner and each way thieving of the highest quality and get on the life changer express!!! Many years ago when the jackpot was huge I got to leg 5 and got beaten a neck. We all know what happened to what I remember as a 14-1 shot in the last!!


  2. 4 highlights this evening. First, Gergiev conducting (an all male) Vienna Philarmonic with a wonderful Firebird. Then, watched the excellent documentary on Hollie Doyle – what a wonderful jockey and person she is, with a wonderful caring family. Then read Quai’s and Ruinart’s reasoned and intelligent comments BTL in the Graun (what silly children write their headlines – and Greg’s article left a lot to be desired) in amongst the stupidity we’ve become used to. But the highlight was BBC Scotland’s fabulous documentary on the estimable Janice Kirkpatrick’s quest to restore the Scottish Clydesdale – “Clydesdale – Saving the Greatest Horse” – a must watch for anyone interested in the horse. Oh, and had a lovely bottle of Cote de Rhone. And finished reading E L Doctorow’s Waterworks – as I’ve said before, the man was a genius. A wonderful night’s entertainment.

    Nap at Cheltenham is Samarrive in the first, doubled up with Storm Control in the second.


    1. Auldchiel,
      It might not have been Greg who changed the text of the original article but he has to bear responsibility.
      An article that was originally focused on Cheltenham based on the weekend’s Racing with single digit comments became altered to an article on Covid-19 anxiety.
      Hence the 109+ comments as I write that have now needed to be shut down.
      I am not sure you can have it both ways.
      The responses became a torrent of political anger without many RCs and I felt this response was encouraged. The few respondents who express political anger towards though who owns Horses get no breathing space but views on social gatherings independent of whether they have ever seen a Horse is allowed to run amok.


      1. For dog lovers there is a guy on facebook with 3 Springers and he does two live feeds a day on his walks with the dogs, somewhere in the Lake District…Max in the District is the site and he has some videos on Youtube…he does a lot of charity work and the videos really do lighten the heart.


      1. Loon Lake is my favourite – have read it 4 times and intend to read it again, but it’s not the easiest read. Ragtime was the first I read and that encourage to seek out his other books. When he died Obama called him America’s Shakespeare. I hope you enjoy the book and the sheer brilliance of his writing.


    2. For me ,last night was one of great sadness ,waves of tears swept over me. It was horrific .
      I went into the shed to find the dreadful evidence staring straight at me.The realisation struck.
      My 5 ltr container of local Port was empty.


      1. Some rascal siphoned off your port? The lowest of the low.
        I suppose they did the same with the containers of Lawnmower oil and petrol as well. Take solace that they may have used the same siphon and the port had a nasty aftertaste when they bought it home. I keep 2 strong locks on my shed door. A 5L barrel must be difficult to carry from the car to the shed. I suppose it has to rolled along.


        1. It went down my throat , I badly misjudged my intake as we dont leave until Monday so I’ve had to dip in last night to the 10 year old bottled stuff sourced from the supermarket in a little town called Lagoa that goes by the name of Jumbo !
          They had it on special offer at 50% discount so I bought 6 ,then went back the next day and bought the lot which will be coming back with us to sustain me until we return in March .


          1. I remember the days when you could walk up the boarding steps with a 5ltr box of Portuguese red in your hand and feeling rather chuffed.


  3. Glad that you had a wonderful night’s entertainment…my entertainment was upsetting the neighbours with a blast on the pipes…hope that the entertainment continues tomorrow and have followed you in with total confidence on your tips….we all make mistakes.

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  4. I think it would be cruel if Native Trail is not Coronated as European Champion 2 yo after all his efforts but Handicapping doesn’t work that way.
    I just want Luxembourg to win the Futurity and not do a Celtic Swing destruction job and take defeat from the jaws of victory from Native Trail. Fair is Fair.
    Nap is the 3.15 at Doncaster but he should have had a Pacemaker to burn off everything.

    N.B . is the Eyrefield Stakes at 17.10 at Leopardstown because if you can think 6 Horses can win it you haven’t been counting.
    The Haggas Horse looks overpriced and was my n.b. but I am fed up with the success of Siyouni. Therefore I am going for the Ulysses Horse, a Stallion who needs an honest break trained by Donnacha called Piz Badile.
    An e.w. punt at 8/1 could be badly taking the Piz.


  5. Watching brief on the jumps really but I do fancy Tritonic to come out on top in that 2.55 race like Robj. Looked very exciting last season before the disappointment in the Triumph. Market favours the Skelton horse slightly but it should be a good battle at the very least. Heads-up though that the Racing Post have an offer for £10 for the first 3 months on their Ultimate Package (code JUMPOFF) , if anyone’s interested in that.
    Nap: Jumbly, 2/1, 3.10 Newbury.
    NB: Star of India, 7/2, 2.15 Leop. Hopefully the Tabor silks have turned a corner!


  6. My (cough ,cough) NAP is Dakota Gold in the 4.20 at Donny – lots to like in trainer form, ground, time of year.
    Although the 2 year old races are a minefield, I’ve gone Imperial Fighter EW at 10-1 in the Racing Post Trophy, sorry Vertem Futurity.for my NB in EW double.


  7. Anyone in the Luxembourg future star camp? I was most impressed with the manner of his victory last time given he was all neck and legs and ought to come on tons for the experience. A kind of dim warning light did spark in me as he seemed quite stiff-backed (with a lot of spine behind the saddle), but it’s hard to make a judgement on TV pictures and a bit of that might just have been him trying to organise himself. Still, the conformation and action don’t look ideal at the moment so far as Epsom’s concerned. I’d sooner take the double figures for the Guineas and hope to see him shorten considerably about 3.20 this afternoon.


  8. Joseph O’Brien is amazing. It’s a much overused word but I really think he is some sort of genius. For those who missed it, On only his third race this year, State Of Rest has won the Cox Plate at Moonee Valley ridden by Irish jockey John Allen for Teme Valley Racing. Joseph’s dad trained the winner of this, the top weight for age race in Australia, in 2014 with the Ryan Moore-ridden Adelaide, and Joseph of course has already twice trained the winner of the world’s richest handicap, the Melbourne Cup. State Of Rest’s form as a juvenile was solid rather than scintillating, despite winning on his debut, perhaps his best run being a length second to Chindit in the Champagne Stakes at Doncaster. But he was given plenty of race track experience, something Aidan has taught him. This season, after a nice running-on third over an inadequate mile at the Curragh in June, JPO’B put him away until August and the Saratoga Derby (Gp 1) on very fast turf. Now, Down Under he ground out a brave win on good to soft, staying every yard of the 10f trip, and surviving an objection from the rider of the second. Joseph understands that you need a horse that stays every yard on a fast pace and more in Australian racing, and I bet you any money he has had a long-term plan to take this horse to Australia for the Cox Plate. How he has improved him from two to three is extraordinary. Here’s a great pic by Ben Carbonaro from the race’s closing stages. If you expand the image you’ll see what a fine specimen he is:


  9. Lots of interesting reading above… day yesterday was a free bar meal with work colleagues – a fine day incluiding the excitement of one guy having to get the heimlich maneuver….

    Kelso has a good card today anfd i’ll head there for the nap Lifeisahighway in the 14.44. Add a NB with Away at Dawn in the 16.29


      1. Another colleague did the needfull….It was quite surreal as we weren’t sober and continued to drink and laugh afterwards ..Sipping ammaretto while your mate goes red in the face….”Oh” and “Dear”!


  10. Late to the party today due to getting some hard earned in.
    The nap is RUMBLES IF THUNDER Saint Cloud 16.00 and the NB is GRENOBLE Leopardstown 17.10.
    Win bets and ew double.
    For me Cheltenham and the flat are only to be watched.
    Be lucky y’all.


  11. OMG WTF and other abbreviations – Frank strikes again. I can see the point in dropping your horse out the back, but such an obvious big pull giving away lengths is surely not a good idea??!! Probably wouldn’t have got to the winner in 4.50 but Grrrrr.


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