Talking Horses Sunday October 24th 2021

El Gran Senor napped the impressive Luxembourg advising 1/1 about the 4/6 winner, and put up a fine EW in Biz Padile, advised at 16/1, placed at 10/1. Well done, sir.

Rakib landed two winners: his nap was Jumbly advised at 2/1, AP 9/4 and his NB was Star Of India, advised at 7/2, SP 5/1. You’ve had a good October, Rakib, nice work.

Also on the October Hitlist regularly in the latter half has been Alan who scored yesterday with his NB Corrigan Rock advised at 5/2 returned 11/5. Alan also landed a place with his EW tip Jackhammer at 14/1. Great stuff, Alan.

If I’ve missed anyone, please give me a shout via the Winners thread.

The blog’s nap gave me plenty of hope until he met the fifth last with his eyes closed. He stayed on his feet and even got briefly back into contention but it blew his winning chance. He’ll be worth asking again as he’s normally safe; flat tracks perhaps best for him.

There are some really nice prospects in Aintree’s 4.10 on Sunday, not least the very impressive Mackelduff, making his handicap debut, and Pounding Poet, the cheekiest of Warwick winners last time. Riggs too is on the up. But the best value to my eye is the 9-y-o Boreham Bill, last season’s Lanzarote winner. He won that at 66/, then disappointed at the festival, but that would not be his course. He’s 3 from 12 at flat tracks and 1 from 11 elsewhere. He was putting in the best ratings of his career over hurdles last season and has won fresh (221 days off here). Trainer Lavelle is in fine form – 17%/42% in the past 14 days (win/pl) and 29%/43% in the last 7. And ground, trip and field size are all okay for him. So Boreham Bill is the nap at 10/1 BOG.

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  1. Knew that Lucinda Russell had a big gun lined up yesterday when she sent 8 up to Kelso…unfortunately outdone by The Ogle Gogle Man in the last at Kelso….she tends to have a big priced winner before Christmas to pay the staff bonuses…..just saying


  2. Joe,
    The Horse who was my n.b. was actually called Piz not Biz Badile.
    My bets have been going badly in the past 2 weeks and sometimes we all need a Piz Badile to relieve the pressure.
    I will take that tip on Boreham Bill at Aintree.
    However, I have a surprise urge to look at the last European G1 Racecard at Paris Longchamp.
    Search for a Song at 3/1 in the 14.50 Prix Royal Oak is my nap.
    In the following 15.25 my n.b. Emilie Gray at 9/1 has the same Moyglare/Weld/Keane team.


    1. I had a bad 2 week spell…the tips were ok but the horses and jockeys let me down…hopefully you should have passed this now and will be tipping winners until at least the end of the month…good luck..shall be following you in on your tips..


  3. Tamaroc Du Mathan 3.00 Aintree @ 7/2 is the nap.Well done yesterdays winners.I am offline for the next few days so hope you all have a good week.


  4. All 4 cards in the UK & I are over jumps and just as I’m starting to get my eye in on the flat…typical. Usually a horse race is a good way to break up the monotony of a dull afternoon’s cricket – after the hurly burly of a T20 match (a World Cup currently going on..), watching them saunter over obstacles is pretty relaxing fare. Anyway, good to see some in their element like good old playlord! I tipped Chiricahua on his hurdles debut and he almost hit it out of the park -got caught on the boundary, so to speak. With a bit more elevation he can clear the fielder this time. 11/4, 1.25 Wexford, nap. The favourite in that belongs to the Rehabilitated One. Speaking of rehabilitation, Rachael Blackmore is easing her way back into the saddle again. Upping the Anti has an e/w chance for her, 6/1 in the 2.35 there. And 6s lest we forget are the name of the game. Thwack! 🏏 💥


  5. SEARCH FOR A SONG 100/30 Paris Longchamp 14.50; ALLMANKIND 7/2 Aintree 15.00; THE GRAND VISIR 7/2 Aintree 13.50. Nap, nb and onb at last nights prices.


    1. DN,
      Joe got a good price for the Guineas at but I was late to that party.
      I did 16/1 before the Beresford Stakes for the Derby which is not really a great price considering the 2 hoops he had to go through to get his price down to around 4/1.
      It was a schoolboy error on my part not to back him for the Guineas immediately after the Beresford Stakes.
      A Stable like Ballydoyle has to lead with their best Horse for races like the Guineas. Will APOB really trust Point Lonsdale and Glounthaune at the final Thursday withdrawal stage or keep Luxembourg in?
      AP betting is mostly about will the Horse actually turn up.
      Running in the Guineas is a shot to nothing when the alternative trials for him are the Ballysax, Derrinstown and Dante.
      The cliche that the Guineas is the best Derby trial hasn’t really gone away; Masar and Australia very recently.
      There will be a nagging “what if?” for APOB if his Horses are walloped in the Guineas with a Futurity placed Horse winning and then Luxembourg scoots home in the Dante.
      He might even think about a lost Triple Crown.
      If he had an obvious Guineas winner (a Dewhurst winner) things would be different but he doesn’t.
      Woody Allen said 90% of life is turning up and that is my attitude to AP betting.
      I don’t like Kodiacs and will never back Glounthaune but the fact he was sent to France yesterday (NR) tells me all the fans out there should not take a Guineas price but look for a Poulains price.


      1. Very good points EGS. There’s something about Luxembourg that reminds me of a fledgling Hawkwind. The horse is as green as grass, loses concentration when he hits the front and starts jumping shadows, like yesterday.
        It’s pure instinct and I’m happy to be corrected, but I think he is something.
        Some say the head carriage is a concern. I put it down to immaturity.
        The AP singles and doubles dockets with Tenebrism will be something to dwell on until we see how both have fared over the winter.


  6. I don’t have anything against dragons but I also like birds. Unfortunately there are far too many Eagles of one sort or another around to keep track of all the bird-named horses, but you can keep an eye out for the rarer types and consider a, ahem, flutter. Sometimes there’s even a case to be made in their favour. So how about Guillemot, 13:50 Aintree, 10/1, as a nap.


  7. For my Nap today I’m heading to the birthplace of my Maternal Grandfather Wexford where I’m hoping NOTICE TO CLOSE in the 16:20 is a good ew ‘v….” bet at around 14/1.

    I’m also hoping TALE OF MINESHAFT at Woodbine in the 22:44 will finally justify my adding him to my tracker (around 5/2). So far he has let me down.


  8. Nap Lady Excalibur 5.20 Aintree. The ew is gone but 7/2 ok as a small single. Well bred filly by camelot who ran well last time and should be in the thick of it. Risks attached obviously given the nature of the race.
    Half an eye on the Telescope filly running for Dianne sayer.

    Getalead looks Interesting in the 3.20 Wincanton. It’s been bet at bigger and is now 5-1. Good bumper form and now steps up in trip for 2nd run of the season.


  9. Getalead is in with a shout after a promising first outing for Claire Harris. Getalead was trained by Ella Pickard, as was the smart Getaround who is now with lucky old Dan Skelton after the owner suddenly took the horse away from Ella shortly by Cheltenham this year, at which he’d had a live chance in the Pertemps final. Skelton runs Getaround in a 3m novice handicap chase on Tuesday at Chepstow and is one to be on. I’m not sure what Ms Pickard is up to now but I think she handed in her licence.


  10. Looks like the early money was right. Horse proved to be well handicapped, Nice winner for Claire Harris and I’m sure it will be winning again. Bryony frost just couldn’t get there on the fav translink who was taking a while to get fully wound up.
    Il keep an eye on Getaround Harry thanks for the heads up.
    Now fingers crossed for the Nap in the last at Aintree


  11. Lovely confident ride from Harry Cobden there. Filly beat all the right ones and form of race looks decent enough.
    5-1 and 6-1 SP singles and 42-1 double landed. If only I could do that every Sunday. Hope someone else had a few quid on today


    1. Very good work. I was on Getalead but thought the bumper was too tough! Lady Excalibur looks a smart filly, defying her winner’s penalty in a warm race. Not many bumper winners do that in a season. I’m glad for Welsh trainer Alan Jones who does well with his small string, most of them also carrying these colours. They have landed some big gambles over the years too. The form of this race is worth following as it’s usually one of the better bumpers run in the north all season, pervious winners including Elle Est Belle in 2020. and La Bague Au Roi a few yeas back.


  12. Gordon Elliott is the opposite of a stable to follow, isn’t he. He seems indiscriminate in his entries and almost has too much firepower in the yard. WP Mullins has similar numbers I would think but does he ever waste an entry? Elliott had one winner from his 16 runners today, with plenty of shorties turned over.


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