Talking Horses Thursday October 28th 2021

A busy Hitlist again yesterday, with the ever consistent Rakib tipping Island Falcon, advised 5/2, SP 11/4 Well done.

David looks to be right back in early-month form with his nap Rogue Bear dead heating at 7/4. Nice work, David.

Jonathan Dawe napped Fire Lake a 5/2 winner – good stuff. And The Steelman nailed his nap in Mi Laddo, advised at11/4, SP 9/4, as well as his NB Fire Lake, advised 7/2, won at 5/2. Now that’s just showing off, Steelman!

If I’ve missed anyone, please give me a shout via the Winners thread.

The blog’s nap Rogue Bear dead heated at 7/4. Thursday’s nap is Beholding in the 2.13 Lingfield at 10/3 BOG.

As ever, please leave your naps/tips by making a comment below. All welcome, especially newcomers; just enter a name when asked so we know who is who. No prizes, but it’s good fun here among some seasoned punters, most of whom spent years commenting at The Guardian on the original Talking Horses forum, which has now been heavily cut back.

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What This Blog Is For

As mentioned above this long-running Steeplechasing blog was adapted in a hurry when The Guardian announced they were cutting back on their (usually) daily Talking Horses section. Many punters had gathered there over the years to exchange ideas and fancies. Part of the adapting we had to do at the start of this blog was restricting this daily main article to tips/naps, while we found our feet regarding house rules, moderation and stuff like that.

We are now in a position to open this main daily article to all subjects. It can be very enjoyable when something is latched onto by our knowledgeable, quick-witted posters as they indulge in wordplay and jousting. We still want tips of course, from those who want to tip. It’s by no means an obligation.

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Thanks for looking in. If you are betting, especially if you follow our tipsters, good luck with your bets, but please bear in mind that this is meant to be ‘fun’. There are many wise heads posting tips here and we haven’t yet gone a day without somebody tipping a winner. But never bet more than you can afford to lose. Small stakes can still produce wide smiles.

All the best


    1. You love the obriens.
      I m following brad cox who had winner last nigh for martin swartz keenland .
      Dave moran in woodbine is married to jim bolgers daughter he better have a winner or get watching venetia williams to feed me.
      Jp ryan is having great season.
      I saw willy austin back out i thought he retired…b GUD


  1. After today’s Dragon success…well I call placed at 40/1 a success..the EW nap has to be Uther Pendragon13:03 Ling 14/1 4 pcs Sky


  2. No tips yet but looking at card yesterday I thought Milton over stretched yesterday, i’m not sure a small trainer should run 10 in a day. – i left them all alone as i tend to do with anyone who seems to be running too many horses.

    Wiser heads can offer a good reason, but he ran plenty who might have benefited from a break for me. Maybe all the owners wanted to see them?

    He’s had a great season\ might have misjudged yesterday.


    1. The early season team has to strike whilst the irons hot ,they are not good enough once the better class horses start hitting the track,its as simple as that. They were entered well , but some got beat ,that’s the way it goes .Its no good wrapping fit horses up in cotton wool ,if your not in you wont win. They were ready early and its paid off ,they were hard trained and fit and have stayed sound because of being properly prepared.
      Theres a nice bunch of unraced ones to come who will need educational runs plus a few to get handicapped. Horses like Jacamar and Stimulating Song are ready to contest better races .
      The yards not small either ,upto 60 now with plans for 10 to 14 2 yos for next season.


      1. I agree that’s what it looked like to me and you know a lot better given your relationship with the yard. His horses seem to be in rude health so why not try and get as many wins in as possible with the ones who like the summer ground.
        Mi Laddo was unlucky last time and I’m glad he got the win yesterday., going off as fav. I See some money must have been recouped from the last gamble.
        Fire lake drifted out when the Horse from Fergals was backed but on that ground after the first run I was dead cert she would win.
        I see Milton has her up for sale …. If only I had a spare few thousand…
        I think out of 9 runners yesterday there was 2 wins and 3 solid places. I’m sure many would be happy with that.
        Dilton did the yard have a quiet year last year? I feel like they have really came out with a bang this season with 21 winners in the board already.


        1. There were very good reasons why I wanted the syndicate horses trained by Milton. I’ve known him for a long time and he knows what hes doing and calls a spade a shovel. He does things the old fashioned proper way ,horses welfare first. Nothing runs unfit. Properly entered. He fell on hard tough times but came out of it much wiser.Training is a tough game.
          Plus hes close to me and I can go in most days.
          The key was getting hold of Gasks old yard ,the facilities are first class with a round gallop and the long uphill one ,plus plenty of turnout paddocks for the horses to go out to play and mess around every day after work.
          The other important factor is the staff recruiting,everyone knows their job , right down to the secretary who can really ride as well ( she worked for me ) ,the head lad/assistant has trained winners in his own right as well.
          Getting Mitch was a great move ,i always rated him ,hes a confidence rider, arm around the shoulder type,Kev Jones and Harry Read are very good horsemen and having Brennan is a huge plus.
          This current run will soon come to an end ,that’s what happens but the better team will swing into action but they will face much sterner challenges. Theres a huge difference class wise.
          Some smart types have been bought and the younger bumper team will be given a good education before today’s the day .
          The filly that won yesterday came over from Ireland very well prepared and shes from a very good family and I’m kicking myself really that I didnt twist Milton’s arm to lease her. Shes got gears.
          He would wipe the floor with a lot of these module course young trainers .
          I’m organising a day when syndicate owners and anyone else on here can come down and meet him and watch the horses working .


          1. Thanks for the reply. Love to hear about the yard and the operation.
            As you said It’s all about great people/staff. Milton must have a great team about the yard.
            I look forward to the syndicate day if I can make it.


          2. Many thanks Dilton, as always, a nice little eye opener for someone like me into the inner workings of the racing world.

            I may be popping back to Blighty in the not too distant future but unfortunately it will only be a flying visit (as we get older the circumstances are rarely nice for flying visits back).

            Anyway, seeing as I have started so I’ll finish, I’ll see if I can get my name on the Hitlist with Call of the Wild in the 2:40 at Stratford. Currently 6/5.

            Apart from that hope everyone is keeping well, especially as winter draws in (weather is absolutely poxy here in Malta. Been pissing down all week and there is talk of a Medicane – sounds like something they give you for toothache).


      2. Thanks for the reply, You do have to be in it to win it, The thinking behind running horses is an education to me – you’ve got some who run them loads like mark johnston and others who seem to keep their horses wrapped in Cotton wool with months between runs.


            1. Yes it is crackers….but it’s all just a bit of fun and is paying off at the moment….takes away the headache of the serious slog of picking winners…..


            2. Evening Dilton
              Thanks for your insight. I suspect like a few other people on here we have a tendency to comment on the horses we backed that either won/lost without fully appreciating how much work goes in to getting a horse ready for a race.



  3. Nap 2.05 Stratford Longshanks 6-1
    Hoping this one can make into a nice chaser. Tough first race but on a nice low weight. May be one to watch but il have a dabble today.
    NB 3.40 Ffos las blueberg 4-1
    Had a decent recent run and will strip fitter. Ground could be pretty heavy by the afternoon. Evan Williams had a few winners so far.

    4.50 looks a good race – hard to decipher, will be keeping an eye on a few in this for later engagements. Mr harp surely has a win in him this year over 3m on heavy. Likely be later in the year though and not first time up.


    1. Yours is backed against mine so far this morning in that FL race, steely. Perhaps Bembridge will need the run but I fancied he had enough in his favour otherwise (trip, track, trainer form etc) – might do the 9/2 fixed odds for the rfc. Lots of decent unexposed types so could be a race that ‘works out well’ either way.


  4. Another interesting days racing..i’ll chance Doubleubee as the nap for the good Doctor in the FL 1.55. I like Sam TD and he’s a few chances today.


  5. Well, well, well. My mother’s name was Marion and I have backed Marion’s Boy on many prior occasions with little success. Ran today in the first at Lingfield, No prizes for guessing what happened. Searched the race cards for a horse called I’m A Complete Twat. No joy.

    Nap in BEHOLDING in the 14:13 at Lingfield.


    1. It took a great move by Cieren Fallon on board to get him clear of the odds-on favourite..ouch, though. Probably still well-handicapped enough to go in again next time out but it won’t be such a nice price alas.


  6. That race at Ffos las ended up a good duel at the end.
    Jazz king for Sam Thomas doing a lot of the donkey work the full race and at points looked a bit green. Stuck to the task well and only beaten a nostril by the jonjo trained ex Irish pointer who had raced with more restraint. Well clear if the rest who all tired at the 2nd last. I think both will need at good rest after that but both will have races to win in them.
    Sam Thomas has really started his training career with a bang. If I’m correct he is a Salaried trainer for Dai Walters. All a very smart move for both it seems. Some nice horses to go to war with.
    Won’t be long till they start to get the big festival winners.


  7. Sam Thomas is placing his horses very well. He is on a 12 month strike rate of over 30% (26 wins), which is impressive by any standards. You would imagine that his winner yesterday, Paddy The Motorbike, would be contending for the big staying handicap chases in the next season or two. I hope Dai Walters thinks his project is more worthwhile now than he did in this very glum interview he did in January:


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