Horsetalk Friday November 5th 2021

All systems firing in the naps table … a Wednesday catch up first with a 16/1 placed EW nap – Not Available – for The Steelman, who only goes and follows it up yesterday with a winning EW nap at 16/1 – Stoney Mountain from the in form Jamie Snowden yard – fantastic tipping, Steelman.

Luke H maintains his 100% November record – his 4th winning nap Manaafith at 11/10. Great stuff, Luke, that takes some doing.

And Rob J gets on the November list with 11/10 winner Current Mood. Nice work, rob.

If I’ve missed anyone, or a late post please leave a comment on the Winners Thread.

Betfair Naps Table

Starting November 1st 2021, Betfair have kindly agreed to provide two tickets each month to the winner of the naps table for one of their sponsored racedays.

Please post your nap each day using the comments section below this thread. All welcome. You need not post every day and can join in at any point in the month, as one big priced winner could win you the prize, which is settled on the tipster showing the biggest profit at the end the month. But, bear in mind that on days your name does not appear on the Daily Naps Results winners list, you’ll be assumed to have picked a loser.

For example, if at the end of the month your name is on the list once with a 25/1 winner, you will have your £250 profit from that nap deducted from assumed losing stakes for each other day. Assuming a 30-day month, your total stakes would be viewed as £300, returns as £260, for a loss of £40. I hope this makes sense. If you can think of a better way or a way to express this more clearly, please leave a comment below.

You need post only the horse’s name, but feel free to elaborate on your reasons for picking it.

If your selection secures a return – EW naps are allowed – please post the result in the Winners Thread stating it was your nap and mentioning the SP.

Profit will be calculated to a £10 stake on each selection. EW selections will be staked at £5EW.

All naps will be settled at SP, so please do not include an early price. This will help maintain clarity and reduce the chances of disputes. We will use standard place rules a la Tattersalls to settle EW naps. Otherwise I need to start checking place offers, non runners affecting it, etc. Doubtless some will suffer because of this, but I think it will even out in the end.

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Good luck



  1. Gary Moore remains in good form. He has two in the 1.50 at Fontwell and I think he plans to win it with Manucci, who can be keen. So my reckoning is that his second runner will effectively be a pacemaker (ridden by a 10lb claimer). That’s the theory!

    Manucci – 1.50 Fontwell – nap.


  2. Who would have thought a Conditional Jockeys race at Hexham (3.10) would gather such a plunge but Banana Joe has went from double figures into 7/2 or less with some bookies.
    The horse is back with Mel Rowley after some time with Henry Daly. I got a few quid on EW before it started to snowball. Someone must think it’s well handicapped and it runs over fences again for a yard who knows the horse well. Will be I interesting to see how he runs.

    For the Nap though …..
    2.10 Hexham Fete de Champetre currently about 4-1 but I’d expect Cooper cross to come out the race having won today.
    Fete DC … Won seasonal reappearance over hurdles but looks like a chaser. The Yard is going well and I’d say this is a winnable intro to chasing.


  3. Hopefully someone can enlighten me as to who Esther was as the race in her memory looks popular.
    Nap 1410 Hexham Fulgurix
    mainly because Fontwell’s 1240 has 2 nag mes and I’d have gone for the longer priced Fry horse, but if its fancied it wont be 4s come the off!


  4. A big combi e.w. doubles that include the usual APOB suspects of Awhile and Friendly in the 17.15 at Dundalk and Glounthaune at 00.30 at Del Mar.
    Chuck in Grafton Street at 00.30, Mise en Scene at 23.10 and Twilight Jet at 21.10 all at Del Mar.
    For the purpose of my nap I can’t decide between Twilight Jet around 6/1 or Glounthaune around 9/1.
    APOB has really rushed Glounthaune in to his 3rd Race in a very short period of time. He is good at rushing Horses so that is my nap.


    1. Anyway , Friendly came in at 33/1 in the 17.15 at Dundalk.
      I need a little help from my other friends tonight and I NEVER lay off bets.


      1. Was on thanks for that…a couple more left to run…hoping that they do both yourself and others a favour…finally clicked and got around to googling El Gran Senor on Wikipedia…interesting reading


    2. I Noticed VLADAMIR CERIN a few weeks ago he is tops he has a few in del mar.
      I not going booky office i was in boyles between fake grand nationals etc etc all on the mainscreens they gettting so extra greedy..u backed friendly i bet ..b gud.


  5. The Newest one Warwick 3.05. NIigel Td s horses have started OK and this looks to have every chance with the useful 7bs of Zac Baker no hindrance. That’s the nap. Also interested in Montys Award in next at Warwick and I’ve a yankee picked with thise 2 and a couple already mentioned above.


  6. Michael’s gone into very sensible mode over on TH.
    Greg’s done another let’s kick racing article but at least it’s a change from 10 Aussie imports .


    1. I was about to say that the guardian reporting is dross now. Why write the article today about randox ?

      Where are the Articles of old where racing and the horses were forefront of the discussion.


      1. Come on Steely. It’s pretty topical that’s why? And it’s a daily newspaper. 😏 The only thing drossy about is they could have reported exactly all of this last year, there’s really no new info (except on the national political fallout, disastrous by anyone’s standards) and a thorough investigation could have got to the bottom of all the unresolved issues. There hasn’t been one. I suppose when they had two good journalists on board (Mr Frontrunner and Mr ‘Hold-up Horse’ Wood) they could ‘walk and chew gum’ covering the (non-Australian) big picture racing story and the daily racing analysis. It’s pretty much one or the other, and frequently neither!


        1. You’ve got the wrong end of the stick ,the issue is Greg Wood focusing as usual on anything that knocks racing which is very odd as it’s the subject that hes employed to write about and pays his wages .
          How he or his anti racing boss thinks there should be an issue with the sponsorship is casting the anti net into very deep waters in the hope of dragging up something.


          1. The big match at the weekend is Utd. V City who both have players under current criminal investigation.
            I will read Jamie Jackson on his match preview and don’t expect anything else but the match to be an issue.
            There are so many good news Racing Stories this weekend.
            M O’ Callaghan and P. Twomey could both have big wins.


              1. They find it easier to remove posts that mention anything to do with Arab kingdoms and sportswashing. That was the essence of my vanished post. I was playing a game of Sponsor the Grand National Top Trumps between Randox and the Saudi Public Investment Fund. Silly me.


      1. They have a crack team on Islamophobia watch, and it’s always at full strength on a Friday. As Michael Vaughan has discovered.


  7. Well now it’s all clear where we have to post…
    E/W nap: Paddy the Panda, 1.00 Hexham.
    (Dragon Members Club weekly update tomorrow..incl answers to such vital questions as “can a horse called ‘Panda’ qualify for an ultimate Dragon bonus?” )
    E/W NB: Asking for Answers, 11/2, 3.10 Hexham, aptly enough.


  8. Del Mar 9.50.
    I think Go Bears Go, has a lot going for him.
    Good early pace, a low draw, good form on fast ground ( Royal Ascot ) , + a crack American jockey.
    He’d be my ew nap.


    1. Robicheaux7,
      2nd time this week you have scratched an itch a millisecond before I knew I had an itch.
      I like the way he has been campaigned. You need to be tough out there and fight your corner and I have done a bet on him.


  9. NAP Zaajirah 3.30 New
    Not had a chance to look at much today, but this Shadwell horse was run by Varian in a Group 3 back in April, against some very good horses, next race was bumped at the start, and last time impeded, so hoping it’s up to this…


    1. Well, it had to end – after four naps in a row (disappointing 3rd), but on the bright side, I made a small profit as I only backed it with The Newest One (2nd) in an EW double, both 11/4.


  10. In This World looks a smart colt judging by that UK debut at Warwick. He actually beat Fil Dor over 12f in his only race on the flat in France, and that horse’s connections that theirs was a cert that day. Fil Dor has now moved to Gordon Elliott’s and looked impressive on his hurdles debut – Irish jungle drums are revving up about him for the Triumph. They are now 12/1 joint favs in the AP market. The Skelton horse was 25/1 at the beginning of the week!


  11. Linda Russell doesn’t send many to New’c…the last one that she sent i tipped and won at 11/1…17:30 Praise Of Shadows 33/1 Sky 5 plcs


  12. TH’s moderators have become very sensitive to criticism. Now they are more likely remove your post altogether than to red card you. Having red cards liberally scattered across a thread, like discarded betting slips at Cheltenham, is not good “optics”, to use that horrible word. I have ben released after a term of banishment but have to wear an electronic tag and check in with my parole officer every week. So, while officially I am permitted to post, in practice I am bundled back into a Serco van before I can open my mouth. It just happened five minutes ago.


    1. I like the analogy of the tag – I feel like some of my posts are being pre-moderated too, as they don’t seem to appear when posted. And yes, “optics” is horribly ubiquitous now.


  13. Phil Kirby has landed a right touch there at Hexham with McGarry who was backed off the boards in a moderate race. McGarry’s owners like a bet and had another result yesterday with Cooper’s Cross at Sedge. They bought a handful of pointers in Ireland last year and have most of them with Kirby. It’s just a question of knowing when the gloves are off. Hexham, of course, was the scene of the great Bushypark touch last season.


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