Horsetalk Thursday November 11th 2021

Nap Table update – A second November winner for the blog with Snow Leopardess putting in a gallant performance at 5/1.

David napped 5/4 winner Glancing Queen (and I’ve corrected one of David’s selections from the 7th) Good stuff, David – 5 winning naps now in 10 days.

The Steelman had bad luck with his EW selection LAndanibo lad -8/1 when napped, but SP for place money just 3/1.

Today I’ll be keeping faith with a wee filly I own 5% of – See The Eagle Fly. She has her first run for Christian Williams after leaving Harry Whittington. Don’t know how she will go, but we do know she has talent, so, fingers crossed in the 3.35 Taunton.

Ten to Follow

I edited that thread yesterday but didn’t stick it to the top of the blog. I’ve done that now, so, if you are interested please let me have your thoughts.

Betfair Naps Table

Starting November 1st 2021, Betfair have kindly agreed to provide two tickets each month to the winner of the naps table for one of their sponsored racedays.

Please post your nap each day using the comments section below this thread. All welcome. You need not post every day and can join in at any point in the month, as one big priced winner could win you the prize, which is settled on the tipster showing the biggest profit at the end the month. But, bear in mind that on days your name does not appear on the Daily Naps Results winners list, you’ll be assumed to have picked a loser.

For example, if at the end of the month your name is on the list once with a 25/1 winner, you will have your £250 profit from that nap deducted from assumed losing stakes for each other day. Assuming a 30-day month, your total stakes would be viewed as £300, returns as £260, for a loss of £40. I hope this makes sense. If you can think of a better way or a way to express this more clearly, please leave a comment below.

You need post only the horse’s name, but feel free to elaborate on your reasons for picking it.

If your selection secures a return – EW naps are allowed – please post the result in the Winners Thread stating it was your nap and mentioning the SP.

Profit will be calculated to a £10 stake on each selection. EW selections will be staked at £5EW.

All naps will be settled at SP, so please do not include an early price. This will help maintain clarity and reduce the chances of disputes. We will use standard place rules a la Tattersalls to settle EW naps. Otherwise I need to start checking place offers, non runners affecting it, etc. Doubtless some will suffer because of this, but I think it will even out in the end.

This site

This site is open to all. It’s free and there’s no need to enrol formally, but if commenting, please choose a username when making your comment.

We discuss horse racing mostly, but have a Lounge if you want to bring up any other subject.

You are welcome to enter our Daily Naps Challenge – a fun competition for which Betfair kindly donates two Raceday tickets every month for the winner.

The rules for the site are basic: be kind to everyone, and please don’t swear. We are not prudes, but we do not have a moderator other than me – Joe McNally, and I don’t want to spend a lot of time monitoring the site. If you see something you want to report, you can do so confidentially using the Contact page.

Finally, there are some hardened and skilled tipsters here and each has their good and bad runs. When one starts a good run, it can seem to the less experienced that all prayers have been answered, and a holy grail of winners has been found. But please never make that assumption. It’s not the way things work in betting, for anyone. Sharks flogging baited tips would have you believe that this holy grail does exist. Well, there is a collective punting experience on this site numbering, I’d say, close to 500 years. Not a single tipster here will tell you that reliable profits can be made from betting racehorses.

So, this is not a mild and dutiful problem betting disclaimer. I’ve been in the business since 1971 and have seen any amount of God’s misery caused by betting beyond means. Punting is a brilliant pastime, but a horrible compulsion, a fantastic servant, but a dreadful master. Never bet more than you can afford to lose with a smile … and there’s plenty of big smiles in small stakes.

Good luck



  1. None of my trainers have runners today but did spot this potential Nap Genever Dragon 13:47 Sedgefield…good luck with See The Eagle Fly.


  2. Irish drug testing unit raided a yard yesterday, any thoughts?

    If only Michael was allowed to comment on here it would make life interesting to read his .


      1. Agreed, when will the data/ info be published ?
        Or is it another sweep under the rug job. You do wonder how common place drugs are in the industry. I hope not common but I’m not naive….
        I still can’t get away from Jim bolgers words on the issue and it being the biggest problem in Irish racing.


    1. That was a terrible Nap. Not sure what I was thinking. I’m blaming it on my holiday beers last night. I didn’t even realize the race was run over 2M4F. Better tommrow me thinks …


  3. My winning Naps are as rare as hens teeth (as Mr Wogan used to say) this last month or so….

    NAP Fairyhill Run 1.55 Cluain Meala.


  4. Have I missed something? I put a comment on the naps table last week about a winner which has been ignored, as was yesterday’s winner. Or has Betfair Sportsbook & PPower had a word?
    Nap Chelmsford 1830 Napper Tandy


  5. Gforce – winners are posted on the winners thread not under the naps table!

    its a mistake weve all made i think – Stick it there and Joe will sort it out


  6. I’ve not had the time (or really the expertise) to get involved with the discussion here recently on various topics, but all the same I’ve very much appreciated it. And also the informed takes on the goings-on in the Irish PTP world.
    Now, talking of lacking expertise: I have a feeling one of the Kirby horses at Sedgefield will turn out to be very well prepared. But which of the three will it be? I don’t have the depth of knowledge to make an informed choice, but I’ll take the chance on Leopolds Rock in the 13:47 (nap). First go at a handicap hurdle, running from out of the weights, claimer taking another 3 off, had a nice outing on the flat recently, unconvincing types at the top of the market . . . it seems too good to be true.


    1. Good luck with Leopold, Cornsay. He’s 19lbs wrong at the weights so it would be a head-scratcher were he to be good enough. It is a moderate race to put it kindly. He shouldn’t mind the ground and there has been some money for him (/1 – 13/2). It’s not a trademark Kirby job, but he won’t need to be a lot better than his mark to win. On Monday there were some nice piccies on the trainer’s website of him schooling under today’s rider. The JP horse Countister is really slumming it these days as a former 138-mark horse at Henderson’s (close third in the County Hurdle one year). He will win when wanted, but who knows whether today is the day. Good luck.


      1. Thanks, Harry. I’m definitely making guesses where others might be making judgements! I wonder if the money is from people doing the same.


        1. The extra weight told in the end, but he did run an improved race. I think you might have tipped him a race too soon! The winner Major Snugfit is a quirky old do-and-so, basically a palter on the flat. The owner Mr Greenwood has had a series of horses trained by Mick Easterby with Snugfit in the name (I think he was a manufacturer of hosiery in Bradford?). There was a good 2m chaser some years ago who went from Mick to Oliver Sherwood, name of Young Snugfit. Major S loves to hear his hooves rattle and when he gets to the front he downs tools, but Nathan Moscrop was alive to that. Owner and trainer must be over 160 years old between them!


          1. Wasn’t so far off as one might have feared. I’ll keep an eye out for him. Lovely bit of Snugfit background there—thanks!


          2. Mr Snugfit was the best known. An agonising ( for me anyway ) 2nd in the National, in 85, when Last Suspect collared him close home.
            Bought by fearsome gambler Terry Ramsden afterwards. Obviously for a tilt in the following years race.
            I had my pound each way on him every pay day until the race itself. Very heavily backed National week.
            Think he went off 4/1 fav when the tapes went off. Ground was way too quick for him on the day.
            Never sighted with a chance. I remember he was about 10th or 11th jumping the last.
            Somehow Phil Tuck, got him home in 4th place. Which saved Ramsdens + more importantly, my ew bacon. 😅


            1. Ah I love this stuff. There’s a certain sort of narrative continuity provided by all these names down the ages, of horses and connections and riders, but the links aren’t so obvious as in other sports; there’s a certain sort of knowledge needed that you don’t need to just track the name “Newcastle United” or whatever. Anyway, I’ve had a whisky too many and I’m rambling.


  7. I’ve also enjoyed the chat re coolmore etc. The Irish PTP issue is another tendril on the general down on horse racing that has a vocal support – I doubt its that sizeable but when the likes of Greg in the G don’t exactly come to the defiance of the sport its not going away….Free speech eh.

    Napwise i’m torn today. My general plan on the naps is to get to end of month and show a profit – i managed it by a few quid last month but its not going to win me any prizes ( which i would doubtless pass on to someone else! ). There’s Starsky in the 2.10 at Market Rasen and a good friend in Major Snugfit in the 1.47 at Sedge. ….I’ll nap Starsky and NB the t’other.

    Will be cheering Joes on!


  8. As my skills at picking winners over the sticks are even worse than picking them on the flat (if such a thing is even possible) I am napping NIAMH AND OONAGH ew in the 16:30 at Chelmsford. (odds around 11/1)


  9. Some gamble landed by Donal Hassett at Clonmel with Sunnyvilla in the beginners’ chase. Quite what the stewards would make of his “improvement”, I wouldn’t begin to guess. But you would think that having run in three chases last season, admittedly typically competitive midwinter chases, being beaten a long way and starting at 200/1 each time, there would be some scope for inquiring as to why the connections thought he had such a good chance today that he was backed from 22/1 to 3/1 favourite. If I were Donal I’d say that it’s not his problem if the handicapper gives the horse an opening mark of just 87. Simple as that. You have to cash in first time if the opportunity arises.


  10. I thought there were clever people on this Forum.
    On whose watch was Fakir D’Oudairies (which I always read as effing ordinary with my less than perfect French) allowed to start at 5/4 today against match fit rivals who will never be match fit without a single nap?
    Shame on you all.


    1. Barnane Stud is 2 miles from j p ryan place.its very posh place.we are told yrs ago to back their horses no matter what. They have horses in uk and with willy mullins.JP RYANs is mucky place.
      kemboy is out 5th december punchestown nice to see his 3rd coming.
      I never see my HERO mrs kennedy woman in town anymore.she probaly shops online ha ha..
      Sunnyville Big big gamble to day hassett does that often.
      Bernie and sean mulryan are so RICH i heard.
      The heavys are backing thurles safsfields and templederry double..bgud


      1. Great stuff as ever and my Secretary has it all minuted.
        I might have to edit the minutes.
        Not sure Kemboy can have a 3rd coming even though he is still young
        I will keep watching JP Ryan though not sure you can profit on a level stake off anything.
        I am reluctant to back Thurles Sarsfields.
        A Man told me today that Fermoy were guaranteed to win their next Hurling match in some sort of Intermediate Match and the only reason he could give me why was they are “young”. I asked like Hansen why “young” should be an advantage and He had no answer but I sussed He watches Fermoy Hurling in all daylight hours.
        Naturally I went to bet on this but these timewasters Bookies had no odds to offer.
        I suspect the same is true with Thurles Sarsfields.
        I can never get to put the bets on I want


        1. Jp ryan i guess is average.
          Im waiting for him to prep a few to go run in uk or something big. When i see mullins or elliott in same race i cringe.
          The gaa guys seem to know county secretarys and refeeres.
          They guy that lost 4k is back hobbling after he went doctor .he had accident 12 months ago am thinkin he got insurance money. But he is adamant it is horses not DOGS that ruin him.
          I cannot make a cent i better wait for GOING GLOBAL.


      2. I thought Mrs Mee was your hero.

        Is it true Sean Graham is the only bookie in Ireland who will take a decent bet without needing to see you mother-in-law’s dental records first?


    2. I been addicted to backing Mehmas blindly 3 tonight
      All because of GOING GLOBAL and never put enuf on him.
      I watch the sire Getaway not winning anything.


        1. I thought going global was a 2nd in down royal and straight OFF to usa.
          I really admire the person who spotted his TALENT first.
          I use hear of a famous punter Bertie Mee back in the day .
          Galway races was her stomping ground before covid. Take care


  11. On, Hassett is quoted as saying all his horses were sick in the spring ( and so all ran badly) , he had the hay tested and had aspergillus (a fungus).

    So there we are, nothing to see here, move along…..


  12. Ronan McNally, of The Jam Man and Dreal Deal fame, complained of the exact same thing. Why does this darned fungus always pick on the little guy?!


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