Horsetalk Monday November 15th 2021

Naps Table – Catchup first with a 9/2 winner for Jamie on Saturday with Sporting John at 9/2 – nice one, Jamie.

EGS landed his nap with Sharjah at 6/4. Well done, El Gran Senor.

Alan’s nap QUINTA DO MAR won at 2/1. Good work, Alan.

Nube Negra was impressive, eh? Put The Kettle On looked to have gone backward, but Coleman blamed the ground saying she had loads left at the end. But with the winner now a big player in the Queen Mother Champion Chase along with Shishkin, Energumene, and Chacun Pour Soi, surely Put The Kettle On will be Ryanair bound in March? She’s 20/1 for that which holds plenty of appeal for me.

Good to se the Skelton team bounce back. What a great Netflix series they’d make as a family battling to the top.

Oh, thanks for the kind comments on Midnight Shadow. I’d love to see him run well in the King George.

Betfair Naps Table

Starting November 1st 2021, Betfair have kindly agreed to provide two tickets each month to the winner of the naps table for one of their sponsored racedays.

Please post your nap each day using the comments section below this thread. All welcome. You need not post every day and can join in at any point in the month, as one big priced winner could win you the prize, which is settled on the tipster showing the biggest profit at the end the month. But, bear in mind that on days your name does not appear on the Daily Naps Results winners list, you’ll be assumed to have picked a loser.

For example, if at the end of the month your name is on the list once with a 25/1 winner, you will have your £250 profit from that nap deducted from assumed losing stakes for each other day. Assuming a 30-day month, your total stakes would be viewed as £300, returns as £260, for a loss of £40. I hope this makes sense. If you can think of a better way or a way to express this more clearly, please leave a comment below.

You need post only the horse’s name, but feel free to elaborate on your reasons for picking it.

If your selection secures a return – EW naps are allowed – please post the result in the Winners Thread stating it was your nap and mentioning the SP.

Profit will be calculated to a £10 stake on each selection. EW selections will be staked at £5EW.

All naps will be settled at SP, so please do not include an early price. This will help maintain clarity and reduce the chances of disputes. We will use standard place rules a la Tattersalls to settle EW naps. Otherwise I need to start checking place offers, non runners affecting it, etc. Doubtless some will suffer because of this, but I think it will even out in the end.

This Site

This site is open to all. It’s free and there’s no need to enrol formally, but if commenting, please choose a username when making your comment.

We discuss horse racing mostly, but have a Lounge if you want to bring up any other subject.

You are welcome to enter our Daily Naps Challenge – a fun competition for which Betfair kindly donates two Raceday tickets every month for the winner.

The rules for the site are basic: be kind to everyone, and please don’t swear. We are not prudes, but we do not have a moderator other than me – Joe McNally, and I don’t want to spend a lot of time monitoring the site. If you see something you want to report, you can do so confidentially using the Contact page.

Finally, there are some hardened and skilled tipsters here and each has their good and bad runs. When one starts a good run, it can seem to the less experienced that all prayers have been answered, and a holy grail of winners has been found. But please never make that assumption. It’s not the way things work in betting, for anyone. Sharks flogging baited tips would have you believe that this holy grail does exist. Well, there is a collective punting experience on this site numbering, I’d say, close to 500 years. Not a single tipster here will tell you that reliable profits can be made from betting racehorses.

So, this is not a mild and dutiful problem betting disclaimer. I’ve been in the business since 1971 and have seen any amount of God’s misery caused by betting beyond means. Punting is a brilliant pastime, but a horrible compulsion, a fantastic servant, but a dreadful master. Never bet more than you can afford to lose with a smile … and there’s plenty of big smiles in small stakes.

Good luck



  1. In again with Mr Yeats up 7lb…only concern is a different jock on board..none of my regular trainers have any runners .. so sticking with Milton as the safest option.


  2. Call the Fairies at 13.00 at Leicester is my nap.
    I have never needed to call any Fairies as I have been away with them longer than I can remember (and they have always been benign to me).
    Her figures are zero wins from 12 starts.
    She has started Favourite in her last 3 starts.
    So, people made her Favourite when she was 0/10 then 0/11 and then 0/12. How does that work?
    Could it have been a single Tenner each time by just one Punter?
    I swear it wasn’t me as I don’t bet that big.
    On an important side issue we all have to use our alter egos of Alastair Sim and Dame Margaret Rutherford from time to time.
    I have been scratching my Alastair Sim head and realise that a piece of insolence from an anonymous Poster yesterday was that Alligator Trainer who gets awarded another 100 points in the Auldchiel Booby Prize.


    1. I have an Irish Literary Revival double tailor made for you: the proven form and ability of Mr Yeats (Plumpton 1.45) and Eureka Creek (Leicester 1.00), which is owned by the Sailing to Byzantium partnership. Of course, you could have a saver on your horse that summons the Little People, as already indicated.

      “That is no country for old men . . .”


  3. 2.15 plumpton Numbers man NAP

    Slim pickings today … this one 2nd chase start. Yard in form. The current Fav had been given 12lb for its last run which may be a bit much.

    Anyone read the Paul Kimmage article on the Irish raids?
    Bit of an eye opener … some kind of Irish trainer Omertà going on over there but someone must have known something …
    Coolmore distancing themselves quickly from the fall out.

    So would I be right in saying it now looks perfectly possible that there is a lot of drugs on the market that aren’t under regulation here and that could routinely be used to help a horses recovery time after runs/injury?
    Warwick states he used a concoction of drugs to “blast neurons”

    Trainers questioned believe he uses a laser to help the tendon.
    Somthing fishy about it all for sure!

    Some damning quotes in the article also regards head lads being adept at using needles ….

    Also allegedly investigation has been set up by UK trainers using a private investigator ? Is this true?

    This is not somthing I would normally comment on as I have no depth in knowledge of training yards and operations but it’s now become a big speaking point and I think the fall out will grow over the coming week or longer. Sadly I think it could be quite damning for Irish racing and how it is viewed by some.


    1. It’s amazing for such a long standing, supposedly renowned therapist, to find that nobody spoken to has ever used him unless it was for their daughter’s pony. I don’t know what the smell is, but it’s surely potent.


      1. Pretty much so, while claiming they are on top of everything. Almost every trainer contacted denied knowing Warwick yet two were at his yard on the day of the ‘raid’, and 56 horse boxes visited during a 77 day period. Also, who is in the cabal that hired the investigator, and has anyone asked the NTF for their thoughts on such a plan?


  4. A couple of my tracker horses won yesterday, sadly without my £s on as I knew better. After Super Sat I had sh*t Sun. Todays wastrel used to be with W Mullins
    Nap 1330 Leics Sayar
    Travelling in hope. Trainer has had a couple of runners recently and got a P and a 16/19 at 125s but its getting towards his time of year. The outsider of the field as they say.


  5. Not a dickey bird/sausage on Irish racing.con about The Horse Therapist….Lissen is saying “Lissen, we never employed him” ….so who did employ him???


  6. Pay Slys are going with gusto so Welland is the nap in the 1.30 at Leicester. The Pheasant at Welland in deepest Worcestershire used to be a decent boozer and quite handy for the Upton p-2-p course over the water. Probably a good place to stop in after seeing the Good Doctor these days.


    1. Ah, thank you. That appeared later this morning….I have to say Mr. Finegan’s blogs are always a tad anodyne, to say the least….


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