Horsetalk Thursday November 18th 2021

Three winning naps on Wednesday – Mickle with Fontaine Colognes at 5/4, Gforce – Hartur D’Oudaries, 4/5, and Robicheaux7 with 11/4 chance Brookshaw Fair: well done, folks. That’s the sixth winning nap of the month from Gforce.

Just touching on settlement of the naps table, I should have considered non runners and didn’t. If you can recall your NRs or want to check back, then let me know and I’ll treat them as a break even day.

In future, when posting in the Winners Thread, please enter your horse name with NR beside it and I’ll add it to the table.

Betfair Naps Table

Starting November 1st 2021, Betfair have kindly agreed to provide two tickets each month to the winner of the naps table for one of their sponsored racedays.

Please post your nap each day using the comments section below this thread. All welcome. You need not post every day and can join in at any point in the month, as one big priced winner could win you the prize, which is settled on the tipster showing the biggest profit at the end the month. But, bear in mind that on days your name does not appear on the Daily Naps Results winners list, you’ll be assumed to have picked a loser.

For example, if at the end of the month your name is on the list once with a 25/1 winner, you will have your £250 profit from that nap deducted from assumed losing stakes for each other day. Assuming a 30-day month, your total stakes would be viewed as £300, returns as £260, for a loss of £40. I hope this makes sense. If you can think of a better way or a way to express this more clearly, please leave a comment below.

You need post only the horse’s name, but feel free to elaborate on your reasons for picking it.

If your selection secures a return – EW naps are allowed – please post the result in the Winners Thread stating it was your nap and mentioning the SP.

Profit will be calculated to a £10 stake on each selection. EW selections will be staked at £5EW. Non runners will be settled as a break even day.

All naps will be settled at SP, so please do not include an early price. This will help maintain clarity and reduce the chances of disputes. We will use standard place rules a la Tattersalls to settle EW naps. Otherwise I need to start checking place offers, non runners affecting it, etc. Doubtless some will suffer because of this, but I think it will even out in the end.

This Site

This site is open to all. It’s free and there’s no need to enrol formally, but if commenting, please choose a username when making your comment.

We discuss horse racing mostly, but have a Lounge if you want to bring up any other subject.

You are welcome to enter our Daily Naps Challenge – a fun competition for which Betfair kindly donates two Raceday tickets every month for the winner.

The rules for the site are basic: be kind to everyone, and please don’t swear. We are not prudes, but we do not have a moderator other than me – Joe McNally, and I don’t want to spend a lot of time monitoring the site. If you see something you want to report, you can do so confidentially using the Contact page.

Finally, there are some hardened and skilled tipsters here and each has their good and bad runs. When one starts a good run, it can seem to the less experienced that all prayers have been answered, and a holy grail of winners has been found. But please never make that assumption. It’s not the way things work in betting, for anyone. Sharks flogging baited tips would have you believe that this holy grail does exist. Well, there is a collective punting experience on this site numbering, I’d say, close to 500 years. Not a single tipster here will tell you that reliable profits can be made from betting racehorses.

So, this is not a mild and dutiful problem betting disclaimer. I’ve been in the business since 1971 and have seen any amount of God’s misery caused by betting beyond means. Punting is a brilliant pastime, but a horrible compulsion, a fantastic servant, but a dreadful master. Never bet more than you can afford to lose with a smile … and there’s plenty of big smiles in small stakes.

Good luck



    1. Jp ryan did the business in last race .
      Josie carrol in woodbine has had a great run. She has 1 tonight in 7.24 woodbine.
      I keep telling myself to always Back her jeeeez
      B gud


  1. In an 8 runner race. An ew nap goes to The Sweeney. Market Rasen 1.22.
    He’s had some good course form, from higher marks. 14/1


  2. Jesuitique – Market Rasen – 1;22. Robicheaux7 your chances of landing a nice e/w touch have dramatically increased as I am backing the favourite 🙂


  3. Can someone please explain Frightened Rabbit is running again today after finishing 9th yesterday at Hexham…it is running at Newcastle today which is only 20 odd miles up the road from Hexham…was it given an easy ride yesterday in order to preserve energy for today????


      1. Wasn’t a N/R at 7:30 this morning but suspected it may become one later in the day…was looking forward to that race as I like to see Sayer and Russell the trainers in competion…sadly Russell’s is a N/R also


    1. RobJ, you have given me increased confidence. However you are more than welcome to join me for drinks in the quarterdeck at around 1:27 as I raise a toast to Jesuitique as she goes down on the good ship Jamie’s Naps


  4. its not really tipping when you pick odds on shots. A tale of 2 bays today and I reckon they should both be odds against but are the opposite, Puffin runs early but the one of interesting potential is
    Nap M Rasen 1525 Springwell Bay
    I like a novice chase and the 1352 MR has thrown up 4 out of 5 from my tracker! The other runner is the drifting outsider Orrisdale. Can’t say any of the trainers are out of form so common sense is no bet. At least having a little ‘sporter’ should ensure I watch it. Hardy d s gets the 4yo allowance and beat a 1/5 shot in a match last time that may be a better performance than credited for so I’ll plump for that one!


  5. Excuse the absence, however, I have been getting some ‘hard earned’ in Germany. Now safe home in ‘God’s Own” I am interested to see that the enigmatic DEFI DU SEUIL has just been confirmed to run at Haydock on Saturday.


    1. After a decent start to the month, I may be reverting to type: 2nd Nap in a row to finish last – at least this time it was a hurdle two out that was the problem, and 6 lengths away, rather than 60!


  6. These veterans’ handicap chases are never less than interesting, even when, like today’s at Newcastle, there are only four runners due to the firm ground (and the recent plethora of such events, no doubt). And I do worry about that admirable mudlark Charie Snow Angel on this ground. I just hope he gets round in one piece and lives to fight another day on more suitable terrain (see you at Hexham in January, Charlie).

    The favourite Brelan D’as is one of those classy and expensive McManus horses …

    I’ve removed the rest of Harry’s post to avoid a possible libel suit. I offered Harry the option of editing it, which he did not want to do.



    1. Great stuff. Won a bit cozily today didn’t he? Obviously new training regime, ground, life in’t Yorkshire, tactics worked again.


    2. Brilliant Harry, one microscopic piece of grit, went round Haslam’s yard and found it quite uplifting personally (you can get a decent view from Middleham Castle if you fancy it), To be fair I’m not a horse so maybe it’s not the same.


  7. Timeform don’t mince their words, do they. One horse today – I won’t embarrass it by mentioning the name – has earned this write-up: “Yet to win a race of any description following 19 attempts (Flat and jumps) and offered little on this debut for new connections at Ayr last month.”
    His mum will be in tears when she reads that.


    1. Well of course I had to look for him. RP’s write-up was slightly more encouraging “His Ayr stable debut gives him something to build on but he’s now 0-19”


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