Horsetalk Sunday November 21st 2021

Daily Naps – Friday brought a stormer of a winning nap in Mr Washington at 14/1 for Rob J, and I managed somehow to miss it in the Saturday round up – many apologies to Rob and very well done.

Mickle kept the faith with A Plus Tard when all around were saying he wouldn’t win on his seasonal debut – nice work, Mickle.

El Gran Senor napped Royal Pagaille EW and landed the place part at 13/2. And David too landed the place with Base Note, also 13/2. Well done.

The manner of A Plus Tard’s victory threw an even darker shadow over the quality of British steeplechasers in the staying division. Bar Chantry House making the necessary improvement, or Paul Nicholls taking a chance and running Bravemansgame in the Gold Cup, there isn’t one UK chaser I can think of that would have half a chance in the Gold Cup.

Betfair Naps Table

Starting November 1st 2021, Betfair have kindly agreed to provide two tickets each month to the winner of the naps table for one of their sponsored racedays.

Please post your nap each day using the comments section below this thread. All welcome. You need not post every day and can join in at any point in the month, as one big priced winner could win you the prize, which is settled on the tipster showing the biggest profit at the end the month. But, bear in mind that on days your name does not appear on the Daily Naps Results winners list, you’ll be assumed to have picked a loser.

For example, if at the end of the month your name is on the list once with a 25/1 winner, you will have your £250 profit from that nap deducted from assumed losing stakes for each other day. Assuming a 30-day month, your total stakes would be viewed as £300, returns as £260, for a loss of £40. I hope this makes sense. If you can think of a better way or a way to express this more clearly, please leave a comment below.

You need post only the horse’s name, but feel free to elaborate on your reasons for picking it.

If your selection secures a return – EW naps are allowed – please post the result in the Winners Thread stating it was your nap and mentioning the SP. Non runners will be settled as a break even day.

Profit will be calculated to a £10 stake on each selection. EW selections will be staked at £5EW.

All naps will be settled at SP, so please do not include an early price. This will help maintain clarity and reduce the chances of disputes. We will use standard place rules a la Tattersalls to settle EW naps. Otherwise I need to start checking place offers, non runners affecting it, etc. Doubtless some will suffer because of this, but I think it will even out in the end.

This Site

This site is open to all. It’s free and there’s no need to enrol formally, but if commenting, please choose a username when making your comment.

We discuss horse racing mostly, but have a Lounge if you want to bring up any other subject.

You are welcome to enter our Daily Naps Challenge – a fun competition for which Betfair kindly donates two Raceday tickets every month for the winner.

The rules for the site are basic: be kind to everyone, and please don’t swear. We are not prudes, but we do not have a moderator other than me – Joe McNally, and I don’t want to spend a lot of time monitoring the site. If you see something you want to report, you can do so confidentially using the Contact page.

Finally, there are some hardened and skilled tipsters here and each has their good and bad runs. When one starts a good run, it can seem to the less experienced that all prayers have been answered, and a holy grail of winners has been found. But please never make that assumption. It’s not the way things work in betting, for anyone. Sharks flogging baited tips would have you believe that this holy grail does exist. Well, there is a collective punting experience on this site numbering, I’d say, close to 500 years. Not a single tipster here will tell you that reliable profits can be made from betting racehorses.

So, this is not a mild and dutiful problem betting disclaimer. I’ve been in the business since 1971 and have seen any amount of God’s misery caused by betting beyond means. Punting is a brilliant pastime, but a horrible compulsion, a fantastic servant, but a dreadful master. Never bet more than you can afford to lose with a smile … and there’s plenty of big smiles in small stakes.

Good luck



    1. Hi Joe was just looking over the Betfair list of winners, and I noticed one of my winners is missing from the 7th of November (faraway boy won at 13/2).


  1. Strong words on the non-Irish horses for the Gold Cup Joe (doesn’t mean they’re wrong) but if you draw a line through Champ’s Gold Cup run (as I think you should) then must have some kind of shout?


    1. He wouldn’t be for me, Mickle. He’s obviously got problems, having almost a year off before this reappearance last season, then couldn’t jump in the Gold Cup – something Nicky put down to his back being awful and why he’s had kissing spines surgery, to which I say, then why on earth did he line up in the Gold Cup?

      We shall see as the season progresses.


      1. Could they Hurdle Champ and then school and go for one big one in the GC as his Game Spirit run was excellent given he wants a trip , whether Minella and Allaho went too hard in the Rsa 2019 is up for question but he picked them up nicely, personally though I would be training him for the Stayers.


  2. If the rain really comes and the races are ran in a bog then anything can notionally happen. But you have to look at the current active stayers and see Ireland all the way unfortunately. This won’t change overnight so betting accordingly seems wise


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