Horsetalk Monday November 29th 2021

No winners claimed so far on the Winners Thread for Sunday’s racing. Will check again later, but should say that an old twitter pal and blog newcomer Mully quietly slipped in a 33/1 nap ew in the big Saturday winner, Cloudy Glen. Great work, Mully. Also from Saturday, Mickle landed a good nap in Aye Right at 5/1 – well done, Mickle.

EDIT: continuing issues with my WordPress hosts mean I still cannot post a comment so will leave my nap here – Corrigeen Rock: 1.40 Ayr

Betfair Naps Table

Starting November 1st 2021, Betfair have kindly agreed to provide two tickets each month to the winner of the naps table for one of their sponsored racedays.

Please post your nap each day using the comments section below this thread. All welcome. You need not post every day and can join in at any point in the month, as one big priced winner could win you the prize, which is settled on the tipster showing the biggest profit at the end the month. But, bear in mind that on days your name does not appear on the Daily Naps Results winners list, you’ll be assumed to have picked a loser.

For example, if at the end of the month your name is on the list once with a 25/1 winner, you will have your £250 profit from that nap deducted from assumed losing stakes for each other day. Assuming a 30-day month, your total stakes would be viewed as £300, returns as £260, for a loss of £40. I hope this makes sense. If you can think of a better way or a way to express this more clearly, please leave a comment below.

You need post only the horse’s name, but feel free to elaborate on your reasons for picking it.

If your selection secures a return – EW naps are allowed – please post the result in the Winners Thread stating it was your nap and mentioning the SP. Non runners will be settled as a break even day.

Profit will be calculated to a £10 stake on each selection. EW selections will be staked at £5EW.

All naps will be settled at SP, so please do not include an early price. This will help maintain clarity and reduce the chances of disputes. We will use standard place rules a la Tattersalls to settle EW naps. Otherwise I need to start checking place offers, non runners affecting it, etc. Doubtless some will suffer because of this, but I think it will even out in the end.

This Site

This site is open to all. It’s free and there’s no need to enrol formally, but if commenting, please choose a username when making your comment.

We discuss horse racing mostly, but have a Lounge if you want to bring up any other subject.

You are welcome to enter our Daily Naps Challenge – a fun competition for which Betfair kindly donates two Raceday tickets every month for the winner.

The rules for the site are basic: be kind to everyone, and please don’t swear. We are not prudes, but we do not have a moderator other than me – Joe McNally, and I don’t want to spend a lot of time monitoring the site. If you see something you want to report, you can do so confidentially using the Contact page.

Finally, there are some hardened and skilled tipsters here and each has their good and bad runs. When one starts a good run, it can seem to the less experienced that all prayers have been answered, and a holy grail of winners has been found. But please never make that assumption. It’s not the way things work in betting, for anyone. Sharks flogging baited tips would have you believe that this holy grail does exist. Well, there is a collective punting experience on this site numbering, I’d say, close to 500 years. Not a single tipster here will tell you that reliable profits can be made from betting racehorses.

So, this is not a mild and dutiful problem betting disclaimer. I’ve been in the business since 1971 and have seen any amount of God’s misery caused by betting beyond means. Punting is a brilliant pastime, but a horrible compulsion, a fantastic servant, but a dreadful master. Never bet more than you can afford to lose with a smile … and there’s plenty of big smiles in small stakes.

Good luck



  1. Everyone paying the price for not keeping it simple and napping Honeysuckle! Anyhew…will try another McManus runner, Operation Overlord. 2.10 Ayr. Weather permitting i guess but it does look milder.


    1. If you haven’t read it, i would suggest reading Eisenhower’s prepared letter in case of the failure of Operation Overlord and compare it to the sniveling responses to failure by modern day politicians. I would like to be able to pay tribute to my late father’s efforts in the success of Operation Overlord, but his wartime service after basic training was spent at RAF Stornaway, about as far from danger as possible. My mother, brother and myself always used to kid him that being so far away from the action actually helped the war effort. He was finally sent abroad after the war ended to modern day Pakistan to help set up an air traffic control system. Based on the number of horse racing programs he accumulated (now donated to the Horse Racing Museum in Newmarket) I’m not entirely sure how hard he worked.


      1. I hope your father would have backed today’s horse regardless of his personal rôle in that noble effort! And if it’s one of those snippets they use to bookend Band of Brothers episodes then I definitely have read that quote…..
        …Having Googled I see that a film was recently made called Overlord which combines WWII and zombie horror. It got a seemingly generous one star from the Guardian’s critic.


        1. The 1975 film Overlord was reissued about 5 years ago and received 5 stars across the board.
          I know I could never be the main character in that film and would be more than grateful to be in Stornaway not Normandy.
          I was in a constant sweat watching that film.
          Anyway good win for Jonathan at 100/30.


          1. I see it was reissued in 2006 🤔 but it seems to have been snuck onto youtube which is a nice bonus (searching for ‘overlord 1975’ ) – personally, it looks like the chief interest is the use of real archival footage blended with the fictional wartime melodrama but I could be wrong. Unusual fonts in the title sequence ….🤯


            1. Time flies as I seen it in the BFI like it was only yesterday.
              Well done on your nap today and I was only joking when I said I was in the running as I reckon I down -10 off a level stake at best.
              I do believe in Bragadaccio even when it is patently false as this is a competition. We are ‘innit to win it.


  2. I know there are Horror Shows on Monday Racecards in December and January and I am pretty certain Roscommon features in a couple of those Mondays but what can I say?
    Today only lacks Roscommon.
    I don’t do piggy backing even though the above posts were done by people who might actually know the chances at Ayr.
    Famous Bridge in the 13.40 is my nap.


    1. Crawfords an colm bowe have fancied enuf mounts in ayr ..
      Ronan McNally 2 in haydock that should have bern in carisle now gone Haydock later in week.
      I did win tonite in d moran and philip demato so rare i have funds for betting on monday.
      I cannot see how AOB got on in tokyo i hope y0u went….b gud


    2. Those colours again. Speaking of bridges I wonder which bridge the namer had in mind. Any ideas, egs? I noticed in the latest Bond ‘movie’ -which incidentally cost me more to rent than I usually pay monthly for Racing TV- (and I’m going to call it a ‘movie’ because frankly it’s pretty terrible from an artistic standpoint) Bond and M somehow find themselves near Hammersmith Bridge, which of course is painted green in honour of the Irish. There must be a secret tunnel connecting it to Vauxhall Bridge that nobody knows about!


      1. Can’t believe a sensible person like you has engaged in Bond – my nephew loves them and I think he’s bonkers. With luck there won’t be any more. It peaked when Ursula Undress emerged from the waves and has produced nothing any where near that since. Others are welcome to disagree…………


  3. Probably wasted too much time on the horses already. Tempting to go with Buick’s only ride of the day in the first at Kempton but its a short price for a horse drawn in the car park, so I’ll plump for
    Nap 1445 Ayr Sunset West
    who has been off a long time but the stable are in form. I found it hard to rate the fav’s Wetherby form and I have it in my brain Le Cheval Noir is best on very soft so this strong traveller could have the race fall apart around him, or not as he may well need the run after his break.


  4. Thought I added my nap early this morning, but doesn’t seem to be up. So even though he’s come in a bit I’ll stick with buzz de Tourcoing Nap (Ayr 14:45)


    1. The Battle of Tourcoing, 1794, saw a heavy defeat for a coalition of Austrian, Hanoverian and British forces by those nasty French Republicans. The British contingent was commanded by the hapless Grand Old Duke of York, who marched 18,000 men to the top of the hill (not 10,000 as in the nursery rhyme) and marched them down again. There was not much buzz about the Duke that day. I’m hoping there will be a good Sunset in the West today.


  5. Moment of madness, Gforce…I could be clever and say there is the technical aspect of the films which have a lot of money thrown at them and if you’re going to see one brand new blockbuster film it might as well be something everyone else on your little island is watching…hey, but Ursula Undress is a good Freudian slip/typo! Fwiw, I agree the only quality ones are from the Connery era but I think the Pierce Brosnan ones are a bit underrated now, the ‘brand’ got re-established under his watch and I preferred his tongue-in-cheek panache to Craig’s brooding hulk who I don’t find sympathetic at all (post-Casino Royale anyway). Craig is a good actor though as he shows in Girl in the Dragon Tattoo which I was watching the other day – he uses Epson printers (the name clearly discernible) in that film and I was tempted to tip Epson du Houx at the weekend off the back of it- it got taken out of that Fairyhouse race tho!


  6. Mayo Star is on the long road back after various surgeries and big gaps between his races. Nicky Richards is persisting with him and while he is very much the yard second string today, he will be worth watching for further signs of his old form. He was certainly a talented horse when the late Malcolm Jefferson produced him to win a bumper in 2016, not long before Malcolm passed away. When Richards took him over Mayo promptly won two novice hurdles before his physical problems set in. He needed very soft ground to be at his best, so Ayr will be OK for him today.


      1. He ran a fine race in second. It looks the patience of connections has been rewarded. Good to see the Richards horses in much better form now. The bumper winner was not unfancied but they have a fair number of exciting bumper horses to come out and Nicky always has them ready to go first time. They will be worth following for the next few weeks. Greystoke has always been a nursery for young unraced talent (mostly bought as foals or stores, or privately after a single Irish point-to-point run rather than at the sales – just as his dad used to do) and they are never hurried or overfaced as youngsters. Take Beacon Edge, impressive winner of the Drinmore yesterday, probably the strongest novice chase run in these islands so far this season. He was a first time out winner in an Ayr bumper three years ago before being snapped up by Gigginstown. He then ran the brilliant Envoi Allen to 3 lengths on his Irish debut followed by a close third behind Colreevy and Abacadabras in the Irish Champion Bumper. So he was a feather in Nicky’s cap and a good spot by Gigginstown.


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