Horsetalk Saturday December 4th 2021

Naps Table Update: Rakib napped 3/1 winner Sounds Russian: Robicheaux nailed the impressive Pileon for his nap: David picked Road Warrior ew who was placed at 14/1, and El Gran Senor had One True King an 11/4 winner having been well backed. Fine work, gents.

Thanks for the feedback on settlement of the competition. We will carry on using profit only as last month.

Betfair Naps Table

Starting November 1st 2021, Betfair have kindly agreed to provide two tickets each month to the winner of the naps table for one of their sponsored racedays.

Please post your nap each day using the comments section below this thread. All welcome. You need not post every day and can join in at any point in the month, as one big priced winner could win you the prize, which is settled on the tipster showing the biggest profit at the end the month. But, bear in mind that on days your name does not appear on the Daily Naps Results winners list, you’ll be assumed to have picked a loser.

For example, if at the end of the month your name is on the list once with a 25/1 winner, you will have your £250 profit from that nap deducted from assumed losing stakes for each other day. Assuming a 30-day month, your total stakes would be viewed as £300, returns as £260, for a loss of £40. I hope this makes sense. If you can think of a better way or a way to express this more clearly, please leave a comment below.

You need post only the horse’s name, but feel free to elaborate on your reasons for picking it.

If your selection secures a return – EW naps are allowed – please post the result in the Winners Thread stating it was your nap and mentioning the SP. Non runners will be settled as a break even day.

Profit will be calculated to a £10 stake on each selection. EW selections will be staked at £5EW.

All naps will be settled at SP, so please do not include an early price. This will help maintain clarity and reduce the chances of disputes. We will use standard place rules a la Tattersalls to settle EW naps. Otherwise I need to start checking place offers, non runners affecting it, etc. Doubtless some will suffer because of this, but I think it will even out in the end.

This Site

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We discuss horse racing mostly, but have a Lounge if you want to bring up any other subject.

You are welcome to enter our Daily Naps Challenge – a fun competition for which Betfair kindly donates two Raceday tickets every month for the winner.

The rules for the site are basic: be kind to everyone, and please don’t swear. We are not prudes, but we do not have a moderator other than me – Joe McNally, and I don’t want to spend a lot of time monitoring the site. If you see something you want to report, you can do so confidentially using the Contact page.

Finally, there are some hardened and skilled tipsters here and each has their good and bad runs. When one starts a good run, it can seem to the less experienced that all prayers have been answered, and a holy grail of winners has been found. But please never make that assumption. It’s not the way things work in betting, for anyone. Sharks flogging baited tips would have you believe that this holy grail does exist. Well, there is a collective punting experience on this site numbering, I’d say, close to 500 years. Not a single tipster here will tell you that reliable profits can be made from betting racehorses.

So, this is not a mild and dutiful problem betting disclaimer. I’ve been in the business since 1971 and have seen any amount of God’s misery caused by betting beyond means. Punting is a brilliant pastime, but a horrible compulsion, a fantastic servant, but a dreadful master. Never bet more than you can afford to lose with a smile … and there’s plenty of big smiles in small stakes.

Good luck



  1. Great days racing tomorrow.
    Will be watching the racing and Having a stab at a few EW.

    Chepstow 1.23 Eclair surf 15/2 ew NAP
    Fell whilst going well in last race. Didn’t look a bad fall and it was the 3rd last so will strip fitter. Jumped well all round until that point. Must have a good chance if ok on the ground.

    Sandown 3.00 Red Infantry 12-1 ew
    Can race prominently and hope he does. May be 11yo but stays well and will like the ground. Some in the race are not certain stayers.

    Aintree 2.40 Hogans Height 20-1 EW NB
    Loves Aintree fences and ran well in the sefton as a prep. Runs off 10 stone and 7 places offered on some bookies.

    Aintree 3.25 Elvis Mail 14-1 ew
    Bit of a gamble. Comes back over hurdles but looked to be staying well over fences in last race. The race was a strong 2m chase at Carlisle.


  2. Nap: Kimberlite Candy 2.40 Aintree
    NB: Tamar Bridge 3.15 Ain.
    Also liking Land of Smiles and Native River on that card while White Pepper and Elimay look shoo-ins at short prices. Sandown looks pretty fiendish compared apart from Chacun PS in the big race and Deise Aba, the latter having his form further boosted by Pileon today.


    1. So much for first impressions. The bookies having a decent time of it so far up at Aintree. Elimay not really in the mood and paying up to four places in the 12.55 but only two finished!


  3. I am with the above posts that this is a day for coupon building as I think at least 8 Horses are not trading at the appropriate prices across the board (at least in my imagination).
    For the purposes of the nap I will do White Pepper (whose Trainer tries to win this Race) in the 13.30 at Aintree and Chacun Pour Soi in the 14.25 at Sandown (Sandown is not Cheltenham) in a straight double.
    In the Wild West I always respected the fact you had the right to be shot for cheating at cards. I play cards and to renege is the ultimate crime.
    I was not reneging by my failure to declare the 65 Booby points on Crack On Corrie coming last of 16 Runners at Clonmel on the 1st day of this month as I didn’t want to steal the gloss from Robj, GForce et al for their remarkable success at the other end of the spectrum.
    When your nap comes stone last there is indeed happiness in a cigar called Hamlet. It may have a slightly different feel to a nap winning you bucketloads of money but at least it’s an emotion. Just different.


  4. Up early to get down to Sandown (thanks Joe), seeing as though Jamie has gone for third time lucki, I’ll opt for snow leopardess (aintree 16:40). Good luck all.


  5. So much to look at today. I have to admit I find such days a bit overwhelming, not least because I actually get more chance (usually) to look through cards etc during the week. I suppose I could try to concentrate on one card. Anyway: as a quick nap, I’ll have Miss Heritage in the 15:35 at Sandown. I’m not convinced by the market leaders (except perhaps Hudson), and she has decent form on the kind of ground that it could well be by the end of a seven-race card.


  6. Were multiples to be allowed, Harry Frys runners today in trebles and up could pass some time pleasantly! Add in a cheeky Moore double at Sandown and we’re off to the riviera!!


  7. Lost a bit yesterday – Friday used to be a day for building a free pot for Saturday but Saturday is becoming get out day! Spent a while yesterday evening firing bullets in all sorts of directions and trying to resolve the differences between the one I’d like to see win and the one I think will win. Which resulted backing a couple in some races and 3 in the Beecher where I’ll be happy to get a place.
    Nap 1440 Aintree Didero Vallis
    Fav last year, 33s this a bit of an insult, likes soft but stable jockey on the other which has been backed, stable in great form having stuffed a couple of mine this last week, I hardly ever can work out what a Venetia horse will do, so I will have my revenge by tipping it!


  8. TAMAR BRIDGE Aintree 15.15 3/1 (early doors) 2PT win is the nap. Included in multiples with BURNING VICTORY Navan 13.08 3/1 and ANNUAL INVICTUS Aintree 12.55 7/1 (Paddy – last night).

    Good luck to all.


  9. 3.35 Benson NAP
    Not sure what Elegant Escape is doing in this 2 mile hurdle race… and David Pipe is running two in the Becher 18+ lbs out of the handicap?!


  10. Well, L’Homme Presse won yesterday after some if us napped it last week, NR. Did we bet it? Not me. Depression gets worse
    Nap has to be Chacun Pour Sois to show us what he’s capable of. My first fav bet this year – no longer have the once youthful exuberance to bet odds on.


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