Horsetalk Tuesday December 7th 2021

Naps Table Update: Welcome Michael Cammish to the December naps table with Skycutter at 1/2. Rakib found an 11/4 winner in Wakool, and Auld Chiel and El Gran Senor picked 11/4 winner Overhaugh Street.

Reflecting on the sad case of Tylicki V Gibbons, I know very little about the law, but aren’t Freddie Tylicki’s chances of success much reduced by the admission from many jockeys that Gibbons regularly came in ‘to work’ smelling of alcohol? None reported him as far as I know, so everyone who rode against him did so in the knowledge he might make a disastrous mistake.

Betfair Naps Table

Starting November 1st 2021, Betfair have kindly agreed to provide two tickets each month to the winner of the naps table for one of their sponsored racedays.

Please post your nap each day using the comments section below this thread. All welcome. You need not post every day and can join in at any point in the month, as one big priced winner could win you the prize, which is settled on the tipster showing the biggest profit at the end the month. But, bear in mind that on days your name does not appear on the Daily Naps Results winners list, you’ll be assumed to have picked a loser.

For example, if at the end of the month your name is on the list once with a 25/1 winner, you will have your £250 profit from that nap deducted from assumed losing stakes for each other day. Assuming a 30-day month, your total stakes would be viewed as £300, returns as £260, for a loss of £40. I hope this makes sense. If you can think of a better way or a way to express this more clearly, please leave a comment below.

You need post only the horse’s name, but feel free to elaborate on your reasons for picking it.

If your selection secures a return – EW naps are allowed – please post the result in the Winners Thread stating it was your nap and mentioning the SP. Non runners will be settled as a break even day.

Profit will be calculated to a £10 stake on each selection. EW selections will be staked at £5EW.

All naps will be settled at SP, so please do not include an early price. This will help maintain clarity and reduce the chances of disputes. We will use standard place rules a la Tattersalls to settle EW naps. Otherwise I need to start checking place offers, non runners affecting it, etc. Doubtless some will suffer because of this, but I think it will even out in the end.

This Site

This site is open to all. It’s free and there’s no need to enrol formally, but if commenting, please choose a username when making your comment.

We discuss horse racing mostly, but have a Lounge if you want to bring up any other subject.

You are welcome to enter our Daily Naps Challenge – a fun competition for which Betfair kindly donates two Raceday tickets every month for the winner.

The rules for the site are basic: be kind to everyone, and please don’t swear. We are not prudes, but we do not have a moderator other than me – Joe McNally, and I don’t want to spend a lot of time monitoring the site. If you see something you want to report, you can do so confidentially using the Contact page.

Finally, there are some hardened and skilled tipsters here and each has their good and bad runs. When one starts a good run, it can seem to the less experienced that all prayers have been answered, and a holy grail of winners has been found. But please never make that assumption. It’s not the way things work in betting, for anyone. Sharks flogging baited tips would have you believe that this holy grail does exist. Well, there is a collective punting experience on this site numbering, I’d say, close to 500 years. Not a single tipster here will tell you that reliable profits can be made from betting racehorses.

So, this is not a mild and dutiful problem betting disclaimer. I’ve been in the business since 1971 and have seen any amount of God’s misery caused by betting beyond means. Punting is a brilliant pastime, but a horrible compulsion, a fantastic servant, but a dreadful master. Never bet more than you can afford to lose with a smile … and there’s plenty of big smiles in small stakes.

Good luck



  1. With alcohol the topic, the nap is GET A TONIC (Uttoxeter 12.00.)

    All naps today should come with a rhyme, give it a go, if you have the time.


  2. There is a horrific Storm called Barra about to shatter Cork Harbour. I am good at ducking flying objects. Trees, roof top slates, been there, done that.
    I actually do have to ignore the Red warning tomorrow and am on my way to work. No idea why such a late cancellation at Tramore as that was never going to happen.
    The weather at Uttoxetter seems more Dean Martinish and Call Me Lord in the 13.30 is my nap.


  3. I’m claiming the first Scottish place name in the very first race of the day. Blow form, hot trainers, speed rating, horses for courses, sole trainer entry and furthest to travel. Forget any scientific method, just find a Scottish address.

    BLAIRGOWRIE 12:00 at Uttoxeter.

    Apparently BB is grief stricken over the death of Medina Spirit. I initially misread that guilt stricken.


  4. DN, more a paraphrasing of some Robbie Williams lyrics (I don’t have any of his back catalogue – honest guv)

    Just woke up,
    Cup of tea,
    Need a nap,
    The 3:20,
    If there’s a horsie,
    Calling me on,
    Ray’s The One

    That’s a roundabout way of saying Ray’s The One e/w 3:20 at Fontwell

    P.S . Joe, I napped Glenquin Castle on Sunday, put it in the winners thread yesterday morning ish.

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  5. Nap: Going to give Pola Chance an e/w go. 1.00 Uttoxeter (20/1) – could be a very merry xmas and a happy new year if that wins or an ‘Ono’ if it doesn’t even place… imagine that.
    E/W NB: Midgetonamission 6/1 6.00 Brand-new Southwell. Bound to win eventually but more likely to place.


  6. 1.30 Uttoxeter Master Debonair,the price seems fair.I am going down to town ,to put my money down.Well done yesterdays winners,you will all have chicken dinners.
    My poetry is that bad I should have posted under anonymous.


        1. He kind of lives and dies by the sword -looks great when it comes off (Allmankind in the Old Roan, say) and then looks terrible when it doesn’t (Shan Blue). I think as he showed in that Utt. he usually gives each horse the right kind of ride – you’re not going to win them all though and sometimes the horse just isn’t there like with his big weekend rides. Personally, I don’t view him as a negative when deciding to back or not.


          1. Shan Blue again .
            In both races where it’s been said on here Skelton messed up ,the horse stood no chance at Cheltenham as he was lengths inferior to the winner prior and was murdered by him again next up , and when he tipped up at Wetherby the eventual winner had already ran some 7/ 8 lengths quicker and is simply a better horse.
            The Skeltons knew this and tried to force that horse to go quicker early on to try to get him at it as in the past hes looked a bit of a follower so dissapointing him by getting distance between him was a good race tactic to draw him into mistakes .
            No matter how you ride Shan Blue hes incapable of running above 128/129 ,that’s fact . When he comes off the bridle, that’s it ,he wobbles and makes mistakes .
            Skelton gives everything a ride , and I would use him whenever I could because when he gets off he talks sense and doesn’t try to pull the wool over your eyes ,if hes got it wrong he says so straight away ,no lad or lass gets things right everytime though.


            1. Harry’s a very decent jockey and the combination with Dan means that the stables horses are ridden with the race in mind. Jockeys are easy targets as it’s easier to blame a fellow human than consider the capabilities of the horse.
              It’s too easy for a fool and his money to blame the jockey than read the running of a horse or the race.


              1. The numbers don’t lie. Consistency for a jockey means making fewer mistakes than everyone else and winning on the ones that ought to win. But punters are blinkered and short-sighted, a bad combo: they only remember the losing rides. On the Flat in recent times, Seb Sanders and Paul Hanagan were great grinders: they put the hard work in, got the favourites over the line and moved on. Not beautiful stylists, but strong and positive. Yet they got appalling abuse in the betting shops and on course from pocket talking idiots. Harry Skelton ticks all those boxes. The extraordinary thing that is different about Harry is that he rides the vast majority of his winners for one trainer. One advantage of that is that he doesn’t have to dash off to ride work on a fancied one at another yard, which cuts the mileage down a bit. He is a product of the Ditcheat system, so he has ‘positivity’ tattooed on his heart. He has a fascinating battle with Brian Hughes on his hands again this year. Hughes stands or falls on the form of his principal employers – last season petered out for him in the title race because McCain and Richards ran out of bullets for him. He is such a good horseman, though, great feel through his hands and knows when a young horse is ready to win.


  7. I looked out my window
    It’s raining outside
    Too many runners
    No place to hide
    Don’t back a short one
    On terrible ground
    Might just be worth a pound.

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  8. Here we go again:-

    “Le Parisien reports trainers Charly, Cédric and Frédéric Rossi among around 15 people taken into police custody following investigations into doping, criminal association and falsification of records.”


  9. Classic after timing was going to nap Dorisa Queen but fell asleep and just awoke to see it win (well done to those above tipping it). Should be looking at something called Dozy but will go with Mille Sussuri in the 2.30 Uttox


  10. I too have a very low opinion of our ‘lockdown leader’, but if you want to see a good arse – have a look at the syndicate’s SixFiveSeven!
    Sorry your horse lost, but I must say, in memory of Slowhandray, I was glad to see Ray’s The One win.


  11. Luke,
    you are assuming Ray is not in a locked in syndrome but is dead and not reading the usual posts
    I wouldn’t rule it out.
    Great post.


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