Horsetalk Wednesday December 8th 2021

Naps Update: David – Dorissa Queen 5/2, DN – Get a Tonic 6/5, Alan – EW Zarzyni, placed at 7/1 and Jamie – Rays The One at a wallet-filling 17/2 all on the board today – fine work, gentlemen.

Mine was a non runner and I have listed it so on the Winners Thread – you should too if applicable.

New Site

I continue to have admin problems with this workaround forum and its causing me frustration and costing me time. I’m looking at a potential solution from WIX, which looks promising. It needs a fair bit of ground work, which I am happy to carry out. It will give us a properly laid out forum, making it easier for everyone. My intent was to prepare it for a January 1st launch, but such are the current structure annoyances, I think we will go with it once I have it ready.

The new site is free, but this means users will see ads – to what extent I don’t know. We can lose the ads by taking an annual subscription at around $170 (at current rate = £130). I’d prefer paying for it, but would like to raise the money through everyone who regularly uses the site (a measure that can be reviewed at renewal time).Quite how we break that down per head I don’t know – there are many brains among you better than mine in this regard, and I’d welcome suggestions below.

Betfair Naps Table

Starting November 1st 2021, Betfair have kindly agreed to provide two tickets each month to the winner of the naps table for one of their sponsored racedays.

Please post your nap each day using the comments section below this thread. All welcome. You need not post every day and can join in at any point in the month, as one big priced winner could win you the prize, which is settled on the tipster showing the biggest profit at the end the month. But, bear in mind that on days your name does not appear on the Daily Naps Results winners list, you’ll be assumed to have picked a loser.

For example, if at the end of the month your name is on the list once with a 25/1 winner, you will have your £250 profit from that nap deducted from assumed losing stakes for each other day. Assuming a 30-day month, your total stakes would be viewed as £300, returns as £260, for a loss of £40. I hope this makes sense. If you can think of a better way or a way to express this more clearly, please leave a comment below.

You need post only the horse’s name, but feel free to elaborate on your reasons for picking it.

If your selection secures a return – EW naps are allowed – please post the result in the Winners Thread stating it was your nap and mentioning the SP. Non runners will be settled as a break even day.

Profit will be calculated to a £10 stake on each selection. EW selections will be staked at £5EW.

All naps will be settled at SP, so please do not include an early price. This will help maintain clarity and reduce the chances of disputes. We will use standard place rules a la Tattersalls to settle EW naps. Otherwise I need to start checking place offers, non runners affecting it, etc. Doubtless some will suffer because of this, but I think it will even out in the end.

This Site

This site is open to all. It’s free and there’s no need to enrol formally, but if commenting, please choose a username when making your comment.

We discuss horse racing mostly, but have a Lounge if you want to bring up any other subject.

You are welcome to enter our Daily Naps Challenge – a fun competition for which Betfair kindly donates two Raceday tickets every month for the winner.

The rules for the site are basic: be kind to everyone, and please don’t swear. We are not prudes, but we do not have a moderator other than me – Joe McNally, and I don’t want to spend a lot of time monitoring the site. If you see something you want to report, you can do so confidentially using the Contact page.

Finally, there are some hardened and skilled tipsters here and each has their good and bad runs. When one starts a good run, it can seem to the less experienced that all prayers have been answered, and a holy grail of winners has been found. But please never make that assumption. It’s not the way things work in betting, for anyone. Sharks flogging baited tips would have you believe that this holy grail does exist. Well, there is a collective punting experience on this site numbering, I’d say, close to 500 years. Not a single tipster here will tell you that reliable profits can be made from betting racehorses.

So, this is not a mild and dutiful problem betting disclaimer. I’ve been in the business since 1971 and have seen any amount of God’s misery caused by betting beyond means. Punting is a brilliant pastime, but a horrible compulsion, a fantastic servant, but a dreadful master. Never bet more than you can afford to lose with a smile … and there’s plenty of big smiles in small stakes.

Good luck



  1. I would happily contribute to getting rid of ads.
    I have no idea what Racing is going ahead today and was thinking of going Westward of Storm Barra to the Gulf but Naymargus has not posted.
    In the unlikely event of Dundalk going ahead I will nap National Gallery in the 14.15.
    When it gets cancelled I reserve my right to nap a reserve of Living Water in the 22.05 at Gulfstream in a SF to beat Magniloquent.


  2. Ads are the biggest scourge on society…unwanted and not needed but keeps someone in a job …in this day and age, if I feel the need to purchase anything outside of essential purchases search the net and study reviews…however they have us over a barrel…so I would contribute as i realise that it is a lot of work for Joe to run it.


    1. I like the ads that pop up on the free footy and cricket streaming from
      Karen ,Mandy and other various young ladies who dont seem to have a full wardrobe are all very keen to meet ” older men from Somerset ” and especially me if I click on their picture .

      My brother in law is bit on the dim side ,that’s the Mrs sister opinion ,and after I told him he could watch sport for free on this platform he admitted he had clicked . ( by accident of course ), when under interrogation by both sisters which isnt for the faint hearted
      Ever since hes been receiving daily invites etc , only trouble being that he was using his Mrs ipad so the message saying ” do you want to watch me performing for you ” and other more lurid invitations has not gone down well.


      1. i’ll tell you , those girls on hesgoals are a friendly bunch as they’re keen to meet older men from Lanarkshire too. I think its all very altruistic of them to offer succor to those in need.


          1. Gentlemen, reinforcing that we are not prudish here, and I know that many women would find this chat entertaining along with many men, but not all – in either gender. Please don’t sail too close to the line.



  3. Nap: Shoot to Kill. 3 3/4 pt win. Wolverhampton, ten minutes past two. Will probably be napping myself now the Ashes has started. Ciao.


  4. Naturally high was very impressive on Saturday, but is to short to nap, so I will instead nap native robin (Lingfield 14:30)


      1. I don’t understand how people tolerate the internet without adblockers—it’s a cacophonous mess if you let the ads happen. But people do! And there are also other pluses to paying for a domain name etc.


  5. Will be interesting to see how Gandhi Maker gets on. Hexham 2.20.
    20s yesterday evening. Now 4/1. Stable rarely off target when the money is down.
    Beat subsequent winners in his point.


  6. Haseefah nap – 13:00 Lingfield

    Happy to contribute Joe. Do you still have that coffee donation thing in place ? If so whack the link in (I can dig it out again if necessary with a bit of investigation).

    Given yesterday’s success with reworking of lyrics I was gonna do a number on Me and Mrs Jones for Spike Jones in the 2:20 at Hexham but it is a non runner


  7. About adverts etc: I’d certainly chip in. I wonder if the easiest thing would just be to open a donation box (like the coffee thing that Jamie mentioned, or a kickstarter or whatever) and let people chip in as they feel. Sure we’d get there pretty quick, and much easier than trying to work out some kind of formula.

    For the sake of form, I feel a nap is needed, but nothing shouts at me today. I’ll go EW with Stitch Up, 15:20 Hexham.


  8. First 2 international races in HK have gone to Tom M and Hollie who rode a cracker in holding off Purton which takes some doing .
    Compare her attitude and ability with a certain other female who people who have not got a jot of knowledge about pro sport think has been so hard done by .


    1. Here is my comparison.

      There is no meaningful connexion between what Hollie Doyle did in HK and the disciplinary case which Bryony Frost is bringing in her fight to compete as a jockey on equal and fair terms. Of course both showed courage but in entirely different contexts.

      However, the courage shown by Bryony Frost is of an entirely different order from Hollie Doyle’s in that Bryony Frost is taking on a male dominated establishment with its arcane set of old fashioned practices which has somehow stayed hidden behind the ludicrous (and very convenient for some) “sanctity” of the weighing room. She is suffering the same (cowardly, IMHO) rank-closing that any whistleblower faces who has the temerity to take on the establishment.

      Whatever the outcome of the case (tomorrow there will be a verdict) Bryony Frost undoubtedly has the support of the public at large, which whistle blowers nearly always do receive as there is a deep sense of fair play in most ordinary people. I have no doubt that the the “insiders” are incandescent that their intimidating enforcement system including “codes” and “figures of speech” and much worse, has been exposed to the light of day. Not to mention the totally unacceptable penis waving that inadequate certain men have indulged in and which other men have been too gutless to call out. “I never saw anything”.

      Commentators are speculating that Bryony Frost is in danger of losing her career altogether as her position will become untenable. This is a measure both of the colossal pressure which is brought to bear by the self appointed and self perpetuating “sanctified” institution on the relatively weak and powerless individual and at the same time a measure of her determination to resistt the obsolete tyranny which still prevails behind closed doors. One hopes that it will overthrow it and put it into the past where it deserves to be.


      1. I’m not an active contributor to this blog but an avid reader and I respect the racing knowledge of all, but QdB’s analysis is exactly what is going on here, if female jockeys are to be accepted then the place that needs to accept them is the “weighing room” , everyone else has!


        1. I read the summing up by Louis Weston in the case just now (7 a.m.).

          “there is a weighing room culture that allows one jockey to threaten another with serious injury to them or their horse, or to call another a whore, a slut or a slag then that culture is one that is sour, rancid and one that we say should be thrown out and discarded. Its time, if ever it had its time, has gone.”
          ““It cannot be that Ms Frost can be allowed to compete on a racecourse on a level playing field only to find when she comes back to the weighing room she’s met by Mr Dunne acting out a role of some patriarchy re-enacting social attitudes of the 1950s in his capacity of self-appointed enforcer of traditions he perceives to be put in place in the weighing room. It’s just unacceptable.”


            1. He does indeed and in the unique position, I think, of condemning the organisation he represents, the one that’s responsible for ensuring the weighing room is not rancid. On a point of order here, throughout this ‘the weighing room’ has been set as the area where everything has taken place, when that is not the case. The weighing room at many courses – see Cheltenham in particular – is a big, open area accessed by many involved in racing. The so called sanctuary, and the scene of much that has been revealed, is the jockey’s changing room.


  9. I wonder what Dilton and David did when yesterday’s commentary went ‘Lady of the Night and Ucanaver’? Nearly as good as Paul the Weatherman on Look North declaring his wife had been demanding that he ‘gets it up this weekend’ last Friday – his Christmas tree of course!
    I’d 2 for the 1420 @Hex, one being the fav back from injury and DJs only ride, but that final hill seems a bit of a big challenge in those circumstances, but as the other Ghandi Maker is a late withdrawal
    Nap Del Mar Rocket
    has an extra 10lb penalty


  10. Should have gone down the Scottish route and gone for Treshnish. If you’ve never been to Mull we’ll worth a visit – but take your narrowest car.


  11. I use to subscribe to ad only service with the odd bit of television programmes thrown in…think it was called Sky….some nice winners today


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