Horsetalk Monday 13th December 2021

Naps Table Update

Catch up from Saturday where Cornsay had a winning nap in Knight Salute at 4/1. On Sunday Rakib nailed Peltwell at 4/1, Jakebuckfast had Get Prepared at 5/1, and DN tipped HISHI IGUAZU EW: it finished second at 4.8/1. Well done, all.

New Members

All are welcome who abide by the rules. Last week we were joined by a poster well known to the ex Talking Horses folk, a poster whose posts have sometimes caused controversy in The Guardian. In light of my hope for kindness all round, and having revised earlier thoughts I made public here, I welcome our new poster. While I understand that some of you might not share my feelings on this, please remember that everyone here is treated equally from my point of view, and that the site rules, reinforced the other day on the ‘playing the ball’ front, ought to offer reassurance to all who desire civil discourse. On that subject, and for the avoidance of doubt, we do not operate yellow cards or red cards as The Guardian does; breaking the rules once will very probably lead to a life ban, with no appeal.

A reminder too that if you want to comment privately on anything or email me direct, just use the contacts page.

Betfair Naps Table

Starting November 1st 2021, Betfair have kindly agreed to provide two tickets each month to the winner of the naps table for one of their sponsored racedays.

Please post your nap each day using the comments section below this thread. All welcome. You need not post every day and can join in at any point in the month, as one big priced winner could win you the prize, which is settled on the tipster showing the biggest profit at the end the month. But, bear in mind that on days your name does not appear on the Daily Naps Results winners list, you’ll be assumed to have picked a loser.

For example, if at the end of the month your name is on the list once with a 25/1 winner, you will have your £250 profit from that nap deducted from assumed losing stakes for each other day. Assuming a 30-day month, your total stakes would be viewed as £300, returns as £260, for a loss of £40. I hope this makes sense. If you can think of a better way or a way to express this more clearly, please leave a comment below.

You need post only the horse’s name, but feel free to elaborate on your reasons for picking it.

Singles only is the rule, though EW naps are allowed. If your selection secures a return – – please post the result in the Winners Thread stating it was your nap and mentioning the SP. Non runners will be settled as a break even day, but only if you enter them as NR in that day’s Winners Thread; otherwise they will be treated as losers.

Profit will be calculated to a £10 stake on each selection. EW selections will be staked at £5EW.

All naps will be settled at SP, so please do not include an early price. This will help maintain clarity and reduce the chances of disputes. We will use standard place rules a la Tattersalls to settle EW naps. Otherwise I need to start checking place offers, non runners affecting it, etc. Doubtless some will suffer because of this, but I think it will even out in the end.

This Site

This site is open to all. It’s free and there’s no need to enrol formally, but if commenting, please choose a username when making your comment.

We discuss horse racing mostly, but have a Lounge if you want to bring up any other subject.

You are welcome to enter our Daily Naps Challenge – a fun competition for which Betfair kindly donates two Raceday tickets every month for the winner.

The rules for the site are basic: be kind to everyone, and please don’t swear. We are not prudes, but we do not have a moderator other than me – Joe McNally, and I don’t want to spend a lot of time monitoring the site. If you see something you want to report, you can do so confidentially using the Contact page. Play the man and not the ball, by which I mean you can castigate heavily someone’s point of view, but do not castigate the poster personally.

Finally, there are some hardened and skilled tipsters here and each has their good and bad runs. When one starts a good run, it can seem to the less experienced that all prayers have been answered, and a holy grail of winners has been found. But please never make that assumption. It’s not the way things work in betting, for anyone. Sharks flogging baited tips would have you believe that this holy grail does exist. Well, there is a collective punting experience on this site numbering, I’d say, close to 500 years. Not a single tipster here will tell you that reliable profits can be made from betting racehorses.

So, this is not a mild and dutiful problem betting disclaimer. I’ve been in the business since 1971 and have seen any amount of God’s misery caused by betting beyond means. Punting is a brilliant pastime, but a horrible compulsion, a fantastic servant, but a dreadful master. Never bet more than you can afford to lose with a smile … and there’s plenty of big smiles in small stakes.

Good luck



  1. It doesn’t take much to trigger my conspiracy theories but that is now at least 4 weeks of Mondays without a Roscommon meeting.
    Did an Asteroid hit Roscommon without us being told?
    I went off to Plumpton in the expectation that I would not know a single thing about a single Horse at the meeting and was blown over by a feather.
    It turns out the 13.00 is a veritable hot bed for talent and I actually know the names of the 3 Runners.
    The 1/2 chance fell last year but that was an anomaly and these things don’t happen twice (or is it thrice?)
    Nassalam will not fall in the 13.00 at Plumpton and is my nap to beat the only 2 names of the other Horses I know running today.
    Kid Commando may be able to jump 2 double decker buses on a stunt motor bike without underpants but Nassalam it is.


  2. The nap is SONNING Plumpton 12.30 at 2/1 this evening, with NASSALEM 5/4 Plumpton 13.00. The multiples are completed with BRIEF TIMES 13/8 Wincanton 13.30 on Tuesday at 13/8.


  3. My tuppence on Frost/Dunne. It was reported that Adam Wedge was present during the exchange at Stratford and saw nothing out of the ordinary. I would dare him to use that language with Isobel and see what it does to his continued employment prospects. Also Dickie J, Tom Scu and AP (who I think had one fall too many) seem to forget that they have daughters.


    1. Talking of Adam Wedge what do people think to the jump at the last by Coole Cody on Saturday. Previously he jumped fairly straight in the main but as Midnight Shadow came up on his rhs so CC jumped to his right and imo affected MS momentum.

      Now we see this sort of thing all the time but it hardly merits any discussion, though I think Kevin Blake has written about it happening mainly on the Flat.

      Anyway, does anyone think that Ryan Mania pinned Wedgie up against the wall once they were back in the weighing room? 🙂


  4. Was gonna go for Sonning but DN has already napped that and I’ve backed it, so to give us more of a chance I won’t attribute my nap to it.

    I’ll take a bit of a punt on Fort De L’Ocean e/w in the 2:30 at Plumpton (currently on the drift at 8’s)

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  5. Not the kind of day that would make you take up betting in horses. i’ll nap I see you well in the 2.00 at Plumpton who likes it round there


  6. Interesting story about drones in the Racing Post’s Front Runner this morning. I’m sorry I can’t copy it or give a link as it’s an email, but it’s a summary of the discussion in the House of Lords.

    “These drones are impressive devices costing over £20,000 in some cases and loaded with top tech such as high definition cameras and piloted by CAA qualified people. Essentially, they are serious machines for serious operations who, according to my discussions with some of them this year, are winning hundreds of thousands of pounds using their time advantages.”

    It looks as if the Government does not intend to interfere.

    Peter Scargill concludes

    “In the meantime, efforts to level the playing field have been taking place within the in-running community, with one drone operator understood to have opened up their streams to anyone who wants in, provided they all contribute equally to the running costs per day”

    It’s so far away from my betting that it’s irrelevant, but there may be some here who would like to know about this.

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  7. NAP Dr Kananga 2.0 P
    This may well increase David’s chance of landing the nap on I See You Well, that has a brilliant record at Plumpton. For an actual bet I’m tempted to do Rev Forecast.


  8. I See You Well – 2.00 Plumpton

    In 2004 Back in Front won the Bula beating Inglis Drever & Rooster Booster. In 2004 the Bula was a £75,000 race. In 2021 it’s worth £61,000 to the winner & is won by a horse rated 147. The course commentator even referred to the Racing Post Gold Cup as the day’s ‘feature’. Time for a rethink?


  9. Don’t usually like to take Joe’s picks on but Fenrir Binding (3.00 Plump ) was tipped by Chris Cook and others on his yard debut and then had what looked a bit of a public schooling sesh. Money’s in again and 7/2 now so not an ew play alas.


  10. No race left untipped at Plumpton, so I can help out someone or other by napping one in the same race. I’ll go for Global Wonder in the 14:30.


  11. I wake up, have first coffee of the day, check my inbox and have 2 horses on my tracker, one of whom is FENRIR BINDING. He is also my nap. The other horse is Silver Nemo who has obviously been effected by his addition to my tracker, but will not be weighed down by my money today.


  12. Late arrival and missed my 2 trackers, one won and the other came 2nd. The way its going I know which loser I’d have selected. So its see where the money’s going and as Fenrir Binding has support, the pin is stuck on
    1515 Cfc Come on Girl
    which was double figure odds last night but is now something like fav.
    Is there a horse called something like Run Sid yet?


      1. The time to have given up hope was the onset of Puberty.
        It’s too late to give up hope now and expect anything for the better to happen.


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