Horsetalk Tuesday December 14th 2021

Naps Table Update

David and Alan landed nice winners on Monday, respectively, I See You Well at 13/2 and Whistleinthedark 7/2 – good work, fellas.


I see these are back in the news, with one operator offering feeds to ‘help with costs’. I don’t bet in running but am told these wee robots offer a serious advantage. Should they be stopped, or are these folk entitled to take advantage of weak laws? If they should be stopped, how would you do it? Apparently it is illegal to bring them down by ‘force’.

Betfair Naps Table

Starting November 1st 2021, Betfair have kindly agreed to provide two tickets each month to the winner of the naps table for one of their sponsored racedays.

Please post your nap each day using the comments section below this thread. All welcome. You need not post every day and can join in at any point in the month, as one big priced winner could win you the prize, which is settled on the tipster showing the biggest profit at the end the month. But, bear in mind that on days your name does not appear on the Daily Naps Results winners list, you’ll be assumed to have picked a loser.

For example, if at the end of the month your name is on the list once with a 25/1 winner, you will have your £250 profit from that nap deducted from assumed losing stakes for each other day. Assuming a 30-day month, your total stakes would be viewed as £300, returns as £260, for a loss of £40. I hope this makes sense. If you can think of a better way or a way to express this more clearly, please leave a comment below.

You need post only the horse’s name, but feel free to elaborate on your reasons for picking it.

If your selection secures a return – EW naps are allowed – please post the result in the Winners Thread stating it was your nap and mentioning the SP. Non runners will be settled as a break even day.

Profit will be calculated to a £10 stake on each selection. EW selections will be staked at £5EW.

All naps will be settled at SP, so please do not include an early price. This will help maintain clarity and reduce the chances of disputes. We will use standard place rules a la Tattersalls to settle EW naps. Otherwise I need to start checking place offers, non runners affecting it, etc. Doubtless some will suffer because of this, but I think it will even out in the end.

This Site

This site is open to all. It’s free and there’s no need to enrol formally, but if commenting, please choose a username when making your comment.

We discuss horse racing mostly, but have a Lounge if you want to bring up any other subject.

You are welcome to enter our Daily Naps Challenge – a fun competition for which Betfair kindly donates two Raceday tickets every month for the winner.

The rules for the site are basic: be kind to everyone, and please don’t swear. We are not prudes, but we do not have a moderator other than me – Joe McNally, and I don’t want to spend a lot of time monitoring the site. If you see something you want to report, you can do so confidentially using the Contact page. Play the man and not the ball, by which I mean you can castigate heavily someone’s point of view, but do not castigate the poster personally.

Finally, there are some hardened and skilled tipsters here and each has their good and bad runs. When one starts a good run, it can seem to the less experienced that all prayers have been answered, and a holy grail of winners has been found. But please never make that assumption. It’s not the way things work in betting, for anyone. Sharks flogging baited tips would have you believe that this holy grail does exist. Well, there is a collective punting experience on this site numbering, I’d say, close to 500 years. Not a single tipster here will tell you that reliable profits can be made from betting racehorses.

So, this is not a mild and dutiful problem betting disclaimer. I’ve been in the business since 1971 and have seen any amount of God’s misery caused by betting beyond means. Punting is a brilliant pastime, but a horrible compulsion, a fantastic servant, but a dreadful master. Never bet more than you can afford to lose with a smile … and there’s plenty of big smiles in small stakes.

Good luck



  1. I am in the familiar hitting the Crossbar territory known to us all where we feel we can’t buy a win.
    I am actually lying as my nap yesterday Nassalam was beaten out of sight by 37L which is a lot of Crossbars.
    The way to get rich was to do the Acca on the Favs in HK at the weekend and no European sentimental crap.
    I knew that. I actually know these things but will always nibble at European sentimental crap.
    The 13.00 at Plumpton contains my nap today in the shape of Atholl Street.
    John Cooper Clarke the Bard of Salford originally recorded the lesser known Atholl Street and it was by pure chance that the record company suggested a change to Beasley Street.
    If there is any place where Rats have Rickets it won’t be at Plùmpton at 13.00 when Atholl Street should have his Vitamins in order.


        1. in terms of Musical poems as it were my favourite is Small Change by Tom Waits, who’s Asylum Years era music is close to my favorite out there.

          The Dreams ain’t broken now, they’re walking with a limp.


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  2. Was going to go for kayfest warrior, but as DN has gone for it, I’ll nap out on the tear (catterick 14:45). Small double on the above.


  3. My Nap has a Philip Schofield vibe to it as This Morning I will be hoping that Holly is in good shape for the 12:30 at Wincanton


  4. Not winning today
    Nap Winc 1230 Huflower
    who has to be better than he’s shown so far, an observation that may also apply to Sofia’s Rock – I mean, why bother with obstacles if they don’t suit?


  5. Short of shooting them down, I’m not sure how you could stop drones. I mean, even with more robust legislation, are the police going to make it a priority to track down the operators? I suppose with some political direction they might.
    As for the races today, it seems like Glasha’s Peak will win a race some day, and maybe dropping in class is the way to do it. Several other players in the race (15:00 Wincanton), but why not, eh.


  6. I suppose you could certainly make a few quid with a drone – laying a horse that’s just fallen is a simple example but i’m not sure how you stop that. At least its not the days of The Sting with time delay and ticker tape,,..

    There’s interesting races today, not necessarily gambling races. i bet Tashunka last time out and am hoping that the drop in trip works the old oracle in the Wincanton 3.00.


  7. Another mehh day of racing. 2.30 Winc. Jack Valentine for the non-rancid partnership of Williams and Deutsch, looks a safe bet for a place but will chance it for the win.
    Drones- you certainly see the effects of them on the in-play markets while the bookmakers’ feeds play catch-up. Latency of pictures to the average viewer is the main problem and needs fixing – either that or just ban in-race betting. You can’t keep having an uneven playing field.
    Interested to read that Champ is due to reappear in the Long Walk this Saturday – he’d be the class act in the field surely. I’d find 5/1 or whatever it is now tempting -perhaps others here would disagree?!


    1. Champ, to me would have an oustanding chance in the stayers hurdle at Cheltenham, if they choose that route. He simply doesn’t jump well enough to win a Gold cup.


      1. Perhaps, though NH doesn’t have another option for the Gold Cup – does he? – now Santini has jumped ship as well. I actually thought he was a big threat on previous form to Minella Indo in March and was he glad he got pulled up early – his jumping obviously didn’t get properly tested then, quite possibly it would have turned out as you say. Plus, I’m all over Klassical Dream for the Stayers – just hoping he doesn’t have injury problems this year!


    2. The horse has had an operation for a kissing spine . I’d rather have one do a tendon than have that problem as at least you can see the injury and you stand a chance of getting the animal back. Kissing spine problems are a nightmare ,I’ve never had one be the same once that was diagnosed and operated on so you are taking a big chance backing him ever again.


  8. Nap is TOMMASO in the 13:45 at Catterick who I confidently predict will be in a near photo, photo at the end of the race.

    In ight of the Zoom, Zoom World Championship on Sunday, I suggest for for this month’s Nap competition, those of us who have been lapped many times are allowed to start on level terms for the last racing day of the month. Fueled by Red Bull, and a fresh pair of running shoes warmed up by my team of advisors I can sneak a victory.


    1. He really needed a safety car to close the gap on Inca Prince and a few others to be fair. The winner showing just how good Fil Dor is I think.


  9. I watched the money flood in for Pittsburg in the first at Catterick, and wondered about adding to the flow, and decided against. This time I was wrong. How influenced are you all by such things? I mean, if you notice odds shortening very dramatically, are you inclined to dive in?


  10. NAP Tadleel 6.0New
    There’s certainly an advantage of drone footage beamed to your phone, compared to someone watching on TV, but is there an unfair advantage versus someone at the track?

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