Horsetalk Wednesday December 15th 2021

Naps Table Update

Jamie napped 7/2 winner Holly, and Rob J sadly did not nap one called Ivy, but had a winner nonetheless with Out On The Tear at 11/10. Fine work, gents.

Betfair Naps Table

Starting November 1st 2021, Betfair have kindly agreed to provide two tickets each month to the winner of the naps table for one of their sponsored racedays.

Please post your nap each day using the comments section below this thread. All welcome. You need not post every day and can join in at any point in the month, as one big priced winner could win you the prize, which is settled on the tipster showing the biggest profit at the end the month. But, bear in mind that on days your name does not appear on the Daily Naps Results winners list, you’ll be assumed to have picked a loser.

For example, if at the end of the month your name is on the list once with a 25/1 winner, you will have your £250 profit from that nap deducted from assumed losing stakes for each other day. Assuming a 30-day month, your total stakes would be viewed as £300, returns as £260, for a loss of £40. I hope this makes sense. If you can think of a better way or a way to express this more clearly, please leave a comment below.

You need post only the horse’s name, but feel free to elaborate on your reasons for picking it.

If your selection secures a return – EW naps are allowed – please post the result in the Winners Thread stating it was your nap and mentioning the SP. Non runners will be settled as a break even day.

Profit will be calculated to a £10 stake on each selection. EW selections will be staked at £5EW.

All naps will be settled at SP, so please do not include an early price. This will help maintain clarity and reduce the chances of disputes. We will use standard place rules a la Tattersalls to settle EW naps. Otherwise I need to start checking place offers, non runners affecting it, etc. Doubtless some will suffer because of this, but I think it will even out in the end.

This Site

This site is open to all. It’s free and there’s no need to enrol formally, but if commenting, please choose a username when making your comment.

We discuss horse racing mostly, but have a Lounge if you want to bring up any other subject.

You are welcome to enter our Daily Naps Challenge – a fun competition for which Betfair kindly donates two Raceday tickets every month for the winner.

The rules for the site are basic: be kind to everyone, and please don’t swear. We are not prudes, but we do not have a moderator other than me – Joe McNally, and I don’t want to spend a lot of time monitoring the site. If you see something you want to report, you can do so confidentially using the Contact page. Play the man and not the ball, by which I mean you can castigate heavily someone’s point of view, but do not castigate the poster personally.

Finally, there are some hardened and skilled tipsters here and each has their good and bad runs. When one starts a good run, it can seem to the less experienced that all prayers have been answered, and a holy grail of winners has been found. But please never make that assumption. It’s not the way things work in betting, for anyone. Sharks flogging baited tips would have you believe that this holy grail does exist. Well, there is a collective punting experience on this site numbering, I’d say, close to 500 years. Not a single tipster here will tell you that reliable profits can be made from betting racehorses.

So, this is not a mild and dutiful problem betting disclaimer. I’ve been in the business since 1971 and have seen any amount of God’s misery caused by betting beyond means. Punting is a brilliant pastime, but a horrible compulsion, a fantastic servant, but a dreadful master. Never bet more than you can afford to lose with a smile … and there’s plenty of big smiles in small stakes.

Good luck



  1. Poetic Justice in the last at Newbury as the nap.

    Whacked it in a double with I Am Maximus that pays just over 2’s currently.

    Was tempted to go for Park Street in the 5:45 at Kempton as that is where my first job was. If the aforementioned double comes in we’ll have a few quid on that as well.


  2. Im on ;late shift as i’m off tomorrow and sipping a Malbec, it could have been Laproaig that most marmite of malts but its red red wine ( copyright Neil Diamond, not UB40!)

    One thing about early naps, as hinted at yesterday, is you don’t see the market. We’ve all picked a few that look good then before the off something gets bet in to favourite from space….the ones that go from 8s to 2s in 5 mins dont lose that often..

    Nap tomorrow.


    1. Good job avoiding the Laphroaig David. I always think the taste left in your mouth is the exact same as when coming around from an anaesthetic (with a hint of used plasters).


      1. I almost returned a bottle of Laphroaig as I didn’t think that the bottle had been rinsed out properly…tasted of soap…it has now become one of my favourites


        1. I’m not sure how i landed on Laphroaig as a tipple of choice as i don’t even drink whisky but i’m very fond of its peaty goodness.


          1. I’m not one for overwhelming peat. After visiting the dalwhinnie distillery in October when visiting the Cairngorms, I have become rather partial to some of their whisky’s and balvenie Carribbean cask is the nectar of the gods.


            1. There are a lot of whiskies more peaty than Laphroaig, which is a wonderful whisky – but you do need to develop a taste for peaty whiskies over time. Any Balvenie is good – my favourite whisky at the moment is Fettercairn. Worth a try for a special occasion. I almost fell out with a barman and hotel manager in Chelmsford for selling a blend as Laphroaig – it’s delicate colour marks it out and you would have thought that if they were going to con a wedding party they would have done their homework.
              And since good whisky goes with good chocolate – surprisingly chilli flavoured chocolate as well – I’m going with Chilli Filli in the 2.00 at Newbury. Glengoyne do a wonderful whisky and chocolate tour if anyone’s in the Glasgow/Trossachs area.


              1. And of course, the ‘anonymous’ above is me. Only came on (and I noticed that I am anonymous) to mention that the discussion about horses with Scottish names, so many successful recently, can be continued with the win in the second at Leicester by Ben Buie. Now there’s not a whisky called Ben Buie, as far as I can tell, but there’s certainly Drambuie, which is not to everyone’s taste, but has a certain warmth.


                1. Drambuie is a lovely drink but i never really count it as whisky due to its sweetness. i have a good friend who drinks it regularly and i’m by no means shy of taking a wee sip from his glass now and then.


              2. I did the chocolate with whisky at the dalwhinnie distillery and must say that winter’s gold with hazelnut praline takes it to a different level. There’s a great spirit/whisky shop in Beverley (not to far from the race course) that has a vast library including the most peaty whisky in existence (apparently it’s over a thousand times more peaty then ardberg), but a bit to pricey for my humble tastes. Well worth a visit if anyone ever visits Beverley races (and wins!)


    1. Between you, me and DN we’ve managed 3 different naps for the 2.00 Newbury – can we manage a 4th? Odds on none of getting placed?


      1. Although I have napped Casablanca win only, in the real world I will be happy with a place if Betfair is back,one of us will surely have the winner.


  3. Can I desert Neville’s Cross? I cannot. Should I be napping the favourite in a three horse race? I should not. Will I let that stop me? Of course not. 13:40 Leicester.


        1. Thanks very much. Although, and I’m sure it goes without saying,I definitely wouldn’t follow anything I post. I pick very quickly almost always on the first race of meeting ( for convenience) by using either the master speed rating or those with top last time out speed rating. Tend to look for those where the weight has been dropped or stayed the same/ course or distance win. I then check the price and the write up on the post. That’s as scientific as it gets. I’d love to be able to read form like everyone on here! Any tips appreciated.


    1. Excellent selection Dan. Just wish I’d got up early enough to back it.

      FASCINATING LIPS in the 14:55 at Lingfield. Bungs all round if he wins.


  4. The naming of horses can delight but more often than not is baffling. What, for instance, inspired the name Eppleton Collier who ran fourth in the Leicester maiden hurdle today. No clue from his pedigree: Balko ex Golden Firebird (Old Vic). Eppleton Colliery was in in the Durham coalfield south of Sunderland. I should declare an interest: I had relatives who worked underground there. That’s a canny lang way from Stow on the Wold, where trainer David Bridgwater resides. So I’m none the wiser. Today’s the first race where Eppleton Collier has shown any ability, staying on dourly into fourth behind three promising novices.


  5. Also at Leicester today (I was looking more for clues at the Midlands venue than the glamourpusses running around Newbury), wasn’t it good to see Present Value winning again? You may remember him as a smart novice hurdler in the Rucker colours trained by Evan Williams. Having run Al Dancer close on his racecourse debut, he then beat Hill Sixteen at Chepstow before being put in his place by Danny Whizzbang. But it was chasing that he was bred to do, and after a couple of promising outings over the larger obstacles Evan stepped him up to 3 miles for a novice handicap one Saturday at Newbury. Heavily backed – including by your correspondent – he was cruising until blundering at the cross fence which totally spooked him. Sadly he took a horrible fall at the next which mercifully he survived. But his racing confidence was shot and he could never use his undoubted talent in two more chases the next autumn at Exeter. Evan tried to restore his confidence back over hurdles, to no avail, and the Ruckers sent him to the sales. Today, after months of careful schooling and a different routine at Jamie Snowdens, he enjoyed himself over hurdles and outclassed his opponents. If he can repeat that performance next time he is undoubtedly well handicapped (BHA 111 today) and could be one to follow.


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