Horsetalk Thursday December 16th 2021

Naps Table Update

Jamie had a cracking day on Wednesday with his nap Poetic Music winning at 10/11, along with two others he mentioned in his post: I Am Maximus and Park Street, each at considerably better prices than SP. Well done.

David napped a winner in Jetfoil at 11/8, one of his tracker horses. DN nailed Silver Forever at 5/6, and Rakib landed IK Brunel at 10/3 – fine work, all. Thank you.

Betfair Naps Table

Starting November 1st 2021, Betfair have kindly agreed to provide two tickets each month to the winner of the naps table for one of their sponsored racedays.

Please post your nap each day using the comments section below this thread. All welcome. You need not post every day and can join in at any point in the month, as one big priced winner could win you the prize, which is settled on the tipster showing the biggest profit at the end the month. But, bear in mind that on days your name does not appear on the Daily Naps Results winners list, you’ll be assumed to have picked a loser.

For example, if at the end of the month your name is on the list once with a 25/1 winner, you will have your £250 profit from that nap deducted from assumed losing stakes for each other day. Assuming a 30-day month, your total stakes would be viewed as £300, returns as £260, for a loss of £40. I hope this makes sense. If you can think of a better way or a way to express this more clearly, please leave a comment below.

You need post only the horse’s name, but feel free to elaborate on your reasons for picking it.

If your selection secures a return – EW naps are allowed – please post the result in the Winners Thread stating it was your nap and mentioning the SP. Non runners will be settled as a break even day.

Profit will be calculated to a £10 stake on each selection. EW selections will be staked at £5EW.

All naps will be settled at SP, so please do not include an early price. This will help maintain clarity and reduce the chances of disputes. We will use standard place rules a la Tattersalls to settle EW naps. Otherwise I need to start checking place offers, non runners affecting it, etc. Doubtless some will suffer because of this, but I think it will even out in the end.

This Site

This site is open to all. It’s free and there’s no need to enrol formally, but if commenting, please choose a username when making your comment.

We discuss horse racing mostly, but have a Lounge if you want to bring up any other subject.

You are welcome to enter our Daily Naps Challenge – a fun competition for which Betfair kindly donates two Raceday tickets every month for the winner.

The rules for the site are basic: be kind to everyone, and please don’t swear. We are not prudes, but we do not have a moderator other than me – Joe McNally, and I don’t want to spend a lot of time monitoring the site. If you see something you want to report, you can do so confidentially using the Contact page. Play the man and not the ball, by which I mean you can castigate heavily someone’s point of view, but do not castigate the poster personally.

Finally, there are some hardened and skilled tipsters here and each has their good and bad runs. When one starts a good run, it can seem to the less experienced that all prayers have been answered, and a holy grail of winners has been found. But please never make that assumption. It’s not the way things work in betting, for anyone. Sharks flogging baited tips would have you believe that this holy grail does exist. Well, there is a collective punting experience on this site numbering, I’d say, close to 500 years. Not a single tipster here will tell you that reliable profits can be made from betting racehorses.

So, this is not a mild and dutiful problem betting disclaimer. I’ve been in the business since 1971 and have seen any amount of God’s misery caused by betting beyond means. Punting is a brilliant pastime, but a horrible compulsion, a fantastic servant, but a dreadful master. Never bet more than you can afford to lose with a smile … and there’s plenty of big smiles in small stakes.

Good luck



  1. Dan, wrong place, wrong time.
    I am not the Judge but I would be surprised if Desert Land can help you in the naps competition which I am winning (I know the Posse are behind) and how often is often?
    My focus today is the 12.15 at Naas.
    I was going to nap Majavango but that has gone from 5/2 to 5/4 in the time I typed.
    I am not sure if I was more shocked that Fourstars AllStars was the Broodmare Sire or that the owner was called Fenian Reilly.
    A challenge by his Parents no doubt but maybe they never walked the Streets of East Belfast.
    I am going to my default position of WJ. Austin.
    Boss Girl to finish 2nd last in reality but an e.w. nap in the 12.15 at Naas is my nap.


      1. David, we could just talk about why a boy gets called Sue which is not a Johnny Cash highlight by any means. I am fascinated by the last City where Fenian means something and it is inevitably Glasgow.


    1. Could be his last race before he is off to the sales. His big punting owner has a few other irons in the fire. Early Christmas present for yourself?


      1. Sadly not. At least if you meant in punting terms. I doubt Mrs Cornsay is planning to buy me a horse for Christmas.
        By the way, Harry, I read your comment yesterday about Eppleton Collier with interest. Seems to me it’s a promising and unexplored seam (sorry) of names. I had a quick look for the likeliest candidates and only turned up a Blackhall and a Seaham—both probably coincidental to the collieries. Given there were 200-odd pits represented in the parliament on Redhills, there are a lot of good names up for grabs. I’d bet blind on a horse called Vane Tempest.


        1. My grandad worked at both Heworth and Brancepeth, so we could add them to our little string. Oh, and my brother in law was born in Shilbottle if we can extend it to Northumberland.


          1. Beamish, Bearpark . . . we could name a decent string without even leaving the B’s! I think Northumberland is fine. Same coalfield, after all.
            I do love the basic look of the DMM website, though having “disasters” as the landing page is a stark reminder of what a grim business mining could be. But yes, you can while away a long time on that site exploring the archives and names and such. More compelling than the actual museum at Spennymoor, in many ways.


  2. For those who napped Guernsey (I was going to also) I think it might be the sort who can run into a place at a higher level but not win at a lower one. Cue 10 race winning streak for Guernsey.


  3. Two newsworthy events. The first being Michael Owens decision to no longer employ Tom Dascombe giving him very short notice. No reason offered although I watched a cocumentary a while ago about the yard there. It has everything needed and more, it must rival any training yard in the country. Michael Owens ambition was also very clear as well as his pride in the achievement. It seems he wants better.
    Also Osian Murphy’s World continues to collapse all around him. He has handed in his licence and gone into rehabilitation. Currently having to explain himself yet again over various attempts to deceive the BHA and yet again issuing apologies to his employers along with thanks for their patience. Patient they may be but no one likes to be lied to over and over. Trust will be in short supply. Many on this site will, like me, have seen this type of implosion many times over the years. Always it starts with rumours that are denied then when the rumours prove to be accurate a series of implausible explanations follow along with apologies etc etc. This was the case when he was caught with cocaine in his system. A truly original reason was given which saved him half his punishment but cost him his credibility. Now it has come to this. Personally I do not believe the young man is happy living his life as a jockey unable to do the things most young men enjoy although he’s very much old enough to know right from wrong. He does seem too,singularity focused on being champion jockey each year placing more pressure upon himself. His period in rehab is hopefully going to be his last but red lights have been flashing for some time.


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