Horsetalk Friday December 17th 2021

Naps Table Update

Welcoming Dan to the December table with his Wednesday winner at 11/1 Desert Land EW. Cracking price, Dan. Well played. Alan was the only profitable Thursday Napster with AUENWIRBEL EW, 2nd at 11/1 – nice work, Alan.

Betfair Naps Table

Starting November 1st 2021, Betfair have kindly agreed to provide two tickets each month to the winner of the naps table for one of their sponsored racedays.

Please post your nap each day using the comments section below this thread. All welcome. You need not post every day and can join in at any point in the month, as one big priced winner could win you the prize, which is settled on the tipster showing the biggest profit at the end the month. But, bear in mind that on days your name does not appear on the Daily Naps Results winners list, you’ll be assumed to have picked a loser.

For example, if at the end of the month your name is on the list once with a 25/1 winner, you will have your £250 profit from that nap deducted from assumed losing stakes for each other day. Assuming a 30-day month, your total stakes would be viewed as £300, returns as £260, for a loss of £40. I hope this makes sense. If you can think of a better way or a way to express this more clearly, please leave a comment below.

You need post only the horse’s name, but feel free to elaborate on your reasons for picking it.

If your selection secures a return – EW naps are allowed – please post the result in the Winners Thread stating it was your nap and mentioning the SP. Non runners will be settled as a break even day.

Profit will be calculated to a £10 stake on each selection. EW selections will be staked at £5EW.

All naps will be settled at SP, so please do not include an early price. This will help maintain clarity and reduce the chances of disputes. We will use standard place rules a la Tattersalls to settle EW naps. Otherwise I need to start checking place offers, non runners affecting it, etc. Doubtless some will suffer because of this, but I think it will even out in the end.

This Site

This site is open to all. It’s free and there’s no need to enrol formally, but if commenting, please choose a username when making your comment.

We discuss horse racing mostly, but have a Lounge if you want to bring up any other subject.

You are welcome to enter our Daily Naps Challenge – a fun competition for which Betfair kindly donates two Raceday tickets every month for the winner.

The rules for the site are basic: be kind to everyone, and please don’t swear. We are not prudes, but we do not have a moderator other than me – Joe McNally, and I don’t want to spend a lot of time monitoring the site. If you see something you want to report, you can do so confidentially using the Contact page. Play the man and not the ball, by which I mean you can castigate heavily someone’s point of view, but do not castigate the poster personally.

Finally, there are some hardened and skilled tipsters here and each has their good and bad runs. When one starts a good run, it can seem to the less experienced that all prayers have been answered, and a holy grail of winners has been found. But please never make that assumption. It’s not the way things work in betting, for anyone. Sharks flogging baited tips would have you believe that this holy grail does exist. Well, there is a collective punting experience on this site numbering, I’d say, close to 500 years. Not a single tipster here will tell you that reliable profits can be made from betting racehorses.

So, this is not a mild and dutiful problem betting disclaimer. I’ve been in the business since 1971 and have seen any amount of God’s misery caused by betting beyond means. Punting is a brilliant pastime, but a horrible compulsion, a fantastic servant, but a dreadful master. Never bet more than you can afford to lose with a smile … and there’s plenty of big smiles in small stakes.

Good luck



  1. This may be an unwise EW nap but Immortal Fame12:15 Utt has come in from 25s to 11/1…Sky 6 will probably go back out to 20s in the morning….my original tip was going to be The Denholm Bandit in the same race..both covered


    1. I mean, really, you ought to have picked out the 25/1 winner in the first, too. Standards around here . . . amazing work Alan, well done!


  2. Faivoir in the 14.55 at Ascot is my nap.
    A Grade 2 with 5 Horses, 4 of whom are French Bred.
    Why do more local NH Breeders not just copy their methods?


    1. I off my ass went to a funeral of farmer punter every morning to town to powers and a few pints and back to work a dedidcated NH man.he gave me pocket money to do bets 55yrs ago out of the milk bill we paid him .he always had a few horses. His wife said i killed for bringing him tomato plants..his daughter married to LESLIE YOUNG the small trainer..glad i went


      1. Covid-19 has had a terrible effect on Male Farmers whose social connections are even more limited than they imagine. Pints. Bets. Pints. Bets. These activities all went in Lockdown and Farmers in North Cork don’t even realise this kept them alive.


    1. Having had a previous winner with one true king, I did consider this, but then skybet emailed me to say that my previous winner one true king is running today. Which I generally take to mean they don’t fancy it. Hopefully my theory is wrong today Leo, but as such are my personal rules, I’ll have to avoid it.


  3. Given how the Donnelly’s like winning and his Lordship is now coming into form, I’ll plump for City Chief in the second race at Ascot.
    And here’s hoping that young Oisin can get the help he needs to get him back in the saddle at some time in the future. You have to ask what support the PJA had put in place for him and hopefully his principle employers will use their wealth and influence to get him the best support possible.


  4. Jonbon in the Ascot 2.20 has Aiden up rathe than Nico which should be a bonus so Nap that. Oisin’s been a bit of a slow motion car crash of late – drugs, fights, drinks…..Lets hope indeed he gets himself straightened out He’s age on his side.


  5. Many thanks for the congrats from everyone re todays winner…it was a very lucky tip in that i saw the price drop and as none of my usual trainers had nothing running…well what the hell …why not…One part of my prediction was correct in that it would go my out to 20s…Thanks again guys


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