Horsetalk Saturday December 25th 2021

Naps Table Update

Results from the 23rd … Jakebuckfast scored with Sea Wings at 5/2, El Gran Senor with Kailan 4/1, and Dan with Island Rule EW placed at 9/1 – well done, Gents. Rob J, I cannot find Thayer Athba – the only one of that name in the Post last ran in July. Can you leave me a note in the Winners Thread, please?

If I’ve left anyone out, I apologise; please leave a message on the Winners Thread. Thanks.

Happy Christmas

Have a peaceful and happy time. For those prone to contemplation, I offer you this from the writer Joan Didion who died this week.

Betfair Naps Table

Starting November 1st 2021, Betfair have kindly agreed to provide two tickets each month to the winner of the naps table for one of their sponsored racedays.

Please post your nap each day using the comments section below this thread. All welcome. You need not post every day and can join in at any point in the month, as one big priced winner could win you the prize, which is settled on the tipster showing the biggest profit at the end the month. But, bear in mind that on days your name does not appear on the Daily Naps Results winners list, you’ll be assumed to have picked a loser.

For example, if at the end of the month your name is on the list once with a 25/1 winner, you will have your £250 profit from that nap deducted from assumed losing stakes for each other day. Assuming a 30-day month, your total stakes would be viewed as £300, returns as £260, for a loss of £40. I hope this makes sense. If you can think of a better way or a way to express this more clearly, please leave a comment below.

You need post only the horse’s name, but feel free to elaborate on your reasons for picking it.

If your selection secures a return – EW naps are allowed – please post the result in the Winners Thread stating it was your nap and mentioning the SP. Non runners will be settled as a break even day.

Profit will be calculated to a £10 stake on each selection. EW selections will be staked at £5EW.

All naps will be settled at SP, so please do not include an early price. This will help maintain clarity and reduce the chances of disputes. We will use standard place rules a la Tattersalls to settle EW naps. Otherwise I need to start checking place offers, non runners affecting it, etc. Doubtless some will suffer because of this, but I think it will even out in the end.

This Site

This site is open to all. It’s free and there’s no need to enrol formally, but if commenting, please choose a username when making your comment.

We discuss horse racing mostly, but have a Lounge if you want to bring up any other subject.

You are welcome to enter our Daily Naps Challenge – a fun competition for which Betfair kindly donates two Raceday tickets every month for the winner.

The rules for the site are basic: be kind to everyone, and please don’t swear. We are not prudes, but we do not have a moderator other than me – Joe McNally, and I don’t want to spend a lot of time monitoring the site. If you see something you want to report, you can do so confidentially using the Contact page. Play the man and not the ball, by which I mean you can castigate heavily someone’s point of view, but do not castigate the poster personally.

Finally, there are some hardened and skilled tipsters here and each has their good and bad runs. When one starts a good run, it can seem to the less experienced that all prayers have been answered, and a holy grail of winners has been found. But please never make that assumption. It’s not the way things work in betting, for anyone. Sharks flogging baited tips would have you believe that this holy grail does exist. Well, there is a collective punting experience on this site numbering, I’d say, close to 500 years. Not a single tipster here will tell you that reliable profits can be made from betting racehorses.

So, this is not a mild and dutiful problem betting disclaimer. I’ve been in the business since 1971 and have seen any amount of God’s misery caused by betting beyond means. Punting is a brilliant pastime, but a horrible compulsion, a fantastic servant, but a dreadful master. Never bet more than you can afford to lose with a smile … and there’s plenty of big smiles in small stakes.

Good luck



  1. No nap of course but all the best of the season for all on here and remember, just one sleep till Kempton – well it is for me, working a night shift.


  2. And all the best to you Mickle. Working nights eh? Well the chimneys been swept and I left a brandy and a mince pie out for you. The carrot’s for Rudolph.


    1. I hope you got e.w. at 17/2 on Hailte.
      In the spirit of Xmas I will also nap at Vincennes in the 16.35 with Georgica Gede who is around 5/1 win only


  3. My fav horse philip dmato GOING GLOBAL is santa anita 0020 27 dec.
    I left my sister to rushed home to bet on gulf .jeeez SO now I Have to watch clint eastwood on horses
    An tabor HORSE in first in gulf…
    That HAILTE race in france is so different than irish.



  4. Joe. It’s Saturday, 25th, but I can see why you thought it was Friday as it was Friday when you put the blog up.

    Thanks for the Joan Didion quote for contemplation. I haven’t read her writings, but that quote has a hedonistic flavour? I expect most of the (T)Hers here know that part of Joan Didion’s quote is a reference to one of Andrew Marvell’s poems, “To His Coy Mistress”. Marvell (1621-1678) is one of the greatest of the Metaphysical poets (“The grave’s a fine and private place…”) .

    But the lines I remember most from that great poem are,

    “But at my back I always hear
    Time’s wingèd chariot hurrying near;
    And yonder all before us lie
    Deserts of vast eternity.”

    Marvell uses his reflections on our mortality to urge his mistress to give way to his advances (crude summary of the poem.) But I always see its references to the passing of time as a call to remind myself that I should try to see everyday as a new day, full of possibilities and opportunities to make our world better. It’s the only one we have got. There is a moral imperative beyond hedonism. Otherwise, there is no social progress, just dog eat dog.

    I waited until the end of the day as I did not wnat to clog up the esteemed nappers. But I felt it might just be the long steeped and battle hardened nappers who might sally forth on Christmas Day.


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